29% is insanely low considering how much propaganda they spew and how much media they control.
I try to be “optimistic” because Trump is only going to make things worse, so even lower numbers are possible.
Even Truman was barely lower than this, though his were low because dipshit Americans fellated MacArthur who was a Trump-like figure in many ways. Fake bravado (he abandoned his troops in the Philippines when things got tough), shit talker who spewed bloodthirsty talking points (he wanted to drop 50 nukes on China during the Korean War), but wore cool shades and smoked a pipe, etc
Maga simply represents the shallow, indulgent narcissism at the root of American identity, especially in the shithole South. We’ve been like this for a long fucking time.
Based on my interactions, I think the delusional/pedophilic demographic is far outweighed by those who are simply deeply ignorant (no comment on racism).
It’s not that they’re ignoring the evidence about him, or even support him in spite of it (though that definitely happens too). They live in a bubble where they just never see any negative news about him. Their news sources either ignore those stories entirely, or spin them beyond all recognition. Whenever something negative gets too big, they’re told it’s fake news, or that the Democrats are doing it even worse.
This. They’re told, e.g., that the Epstein stuff is all a smear campaign by Democrats. And they believe it because it’s hammered into them and because of tribalism.
If my father believed Trump was involved with Epstein and the raping of children, he’d never have voted for Trump. But instead he’s convinced that Trump is God-appointed to save America from those evil Democrats who want to corrupt kids with trans ideology. He’s stuck in an algorithmically-secured propaganda bubble.
My in-laws are these kind of people. They voted for a lot of politicians, local and federal, because their church told them to because these politicians didn’t support abortion. That’s all they needed, no other policy or information required. If they questioned it they’d get ostracized from their church circle, so why bother.
If we chatted about these politicians. Typically they were not aware of the deeper topics and would genuinely be disturbed by them, but their responses always went back to, well I just can’t vote for X they are pro-abortion and the church doesn’t support that.
They need someone to tell them what to do and they cling to these groups because they have never been self sufficient.
Nothing like an imaginary problem/thought exercise used to manipulate voters. Think of the unborn babies! Of course, ignore all the actual living babies. God these people are so fucking stupid.
I was reading last night about the reversal of the EPA ruling on C02. They were using propaganda like the “religion of climate change”.
That got my wheels spinning! Wait a minute. If it is a “religion” then don’t you have to respect it!?
Truth is that could give a shit about your Magical Sky Daddy beliefs, they only care if it serves their purpose.
It’s mind boggling to me for a different reason, he has always had his cult locked in where he never dropped below 30something% no matter what he did. The fact that he actually lost some of the die hard “I’d forgive him for raping my daughter” croud is kinda wild.
Well there is a group of people who financially benefit from his presidency and an even larger group who sincerely believe they’ll benefit in the long run. And then there is a group who don’t really care about politics as long as they can buy shiny new things. That’s not 29% obviously, but as long as the economy doesn’t collapse there will be people who are fine with whatever happens so i guess you’re right: that he continues to lose support is wild, wildly enough.
there are a LOT of severely uneducated inbred racist bigots in this country. pretty much anywhere in the south, or any isolated rural area anywhere–that’s what it is
Not “anywhere in the south” and no I’m not just talking about the cities. One of the blue-est parts of Georgia is the poorest and most rural. Not as blue as Atlanta of course, but still blue
I recommend traveling to the south before making sweeping generalizations. Some of the most extreme views I’ve encountered in the South I’ve found in states like Pennsylvania and parts of upstate New York too.
This isn’t a geography issue. It’s an education and culture issue
Even post-Watergate Nixon had 25%. I think no matter what he does it isn’t going to drop below that, there’s a subset of the population that simply won’t adjust their opinion on of him.
Keep in mind a lot of people simply aren’t paying attention and a lot of people have made MAGA a core part of their personality; to turn on it now would mean admitting that all their social media posts, financial contributions, merch, and ruined relationships were in vain. It’s massively humiliating to admit to yourself and others that you were that overconfidantly wrong to hitch your wagon to a known conman rapist.
I’ve found that in every US political poll, the absolute worst of the worst topic or candidate will almost always have 25-30% support. I really think a quarter of people are complete assholes who lack empathy and care for no one but themselves.
Realistically, a portion of that is going to be people trolling/giving a “joke” answer, a portion is going to be people who are so unaware of literally anything going on that they just answer “sure, it’s fine”, or are basically illiterate and effectively just answer randomly. The number of people who are seriously answering are going to be a smaller subset of that number, greater than 0% but lower than the true number.
I’m sure there are those that have fatiqued from any pressure to change their opinions and tuned out of any negative news as something they don’t trust. They are not even reading them. Kinda the same way I’m fatiqued about anything Trump related and just moving on.
It’s an intentional mix of low education, racist history, rural isolation, a faith-based understanding of reality, and 50 years of relentless fascist propaganda. It creates a culturally reinforced tribalism in Republicans and makes them into a sort of cattle-class that can easily be led around by media misinformation. They’re too isolated, too dumb, and too blindly loyal to The Party to ever wake up to the reality of their subjugation or the evil of their leaders.
Just like a grand jury will typically indict a ham sandwich, a GOP voter will typically approve of a ham sandwich if their is an R next to its name. Then again, I would rate Sandwich, Ham ® higher than Trump too, so…
The fact it’s still at 29% is mind boggling to me. How delusional or racist/pedophilical do you have to be to approve of this guy?
29% is insanely low considering how much propaganda they spew and how much media they control.
I try to be “optimistic” because Trump is only going to make things worse, so even lower numbers are possible.
Even Truman was barely lower than this, though his were low because dipshit Americans fellated MacArthur who was a Trump-like figure in many ways. Fake bravado (he abandoned his troops in the Philippines when things got tough), shit talker who spewed bloodthirsty talking points (he wanted to drop 50 nukes on China during the Korean War), but wore cool shades and smoked a pipe, etc
Maga simply represents the shallow, indulgent narcissism at the root of American identity, especially in the shithole South. We’ve been like this for a long fucking time.
Based on my interactions, I think the delusional/pedophilic demographic is far outweighed by those who are simply deeply ignorant (no comment on racism).
It’s not that they’re ignoring the evidence about him, or even support him in spite of it (though that definitely happens too). They live in a bubble where they just never see any negative news about him. Their news sources either ignore those stories entirely, or spin them beyond all recognition. Whenever something negative gets too big, they’re told it’s fake news, or that the Democrats are doing it even worse.
This. They’re told, e.g., that the Epstein stuff is all a smear campaign by Democrats. And they believe it because it’s hammered into them and because of tribalism.
If my father believed Trump was involved with Epstein and the raping of children, he’d never have voted for Trump. But instead he’s convinced that Trump is God-appointed to save America from those evil Democrats who want to corrupt kids with trans ideology. He’s stuck in an algorithmically-secured propaganda bubble.
My in-laws are these kind of people. They voted for a lot of politicians, local and federal, because their church told them to because these politicians didn’t support abortion. That’s all they needed, no other policy or information required. If they questioned it they’d get ostracized from their church circle, so why bother.
If we chatted about these politicians. Typically they were not aware of the deeper topics and would genuinely be disturbed by them, but their responses always went back to, well I just can’t vote for X they are pro-abortion and the church doesn’t support that.
They need someone to tell them what to do and they cling to these groups because they have never been self sufficient.
You just described basically my mom’s entire family.
Nothing like an imaginary problem/thought exercise used to manipulate voters. Think of the unborn babies! Of course, ignore all the actual living babies. God these people are so fucking stupid.
I was reading last night about the reversal of the EPA ruling on C02. They were using propaganda like the “religion of climate change”.
That got my wheels spinning! Wait a minute. If it is a “religion” then don’t you have to respect it!?
Truth is that could give a shit about your Magical Sky Daddy beliefs, they only care if it serves their purpose.
They must have gold fish memories because it was Trump’s apparatus that pushed the whole Epstein thing to begin with.
If I told you the population was 29% raving morons, you wouldn’t be surprised, would you?
It’s mind boggling to me for a different reason, he has always had his cult locked in where he never dropped below 30something% no matter what he did. The fact that he actually lost some of the die hard “I’d forgive him for raping my daughter” croud is kinda wild.
Well there is a group of people who financially benefit from his presidency and an even larger group who sincerely believe they’ll benefit in the long run. And then there is a group who don’t really care about politics as long as they can buy shiny new things. That’s not 29% obviously, but as long as the economy doesn’t collapse there will be people who are fine with whatever happens so i guess you’re right: that he continues to lose support is wild, wildly enough.
there are a LOT of severely uneducated inbred racist bigots in this country. pretty much anywhere in the south, or any isolated rural area anywhere–that’s what it is
My incredibly racist late grandmother asked me in 2020 if I was voting for “the other guy.”
“no, i’m voting for trump because he’s going to obliterate your medicare”
Don’t worry. Her husband died in like 1985, and she lived off his government pension for 35 years.
Not “anywhere in the south” and no I’m not just talking about the cities. One of the blue-est parts of Georgia is the poorest and most rural. Not as blue as Atlanta of course, but still blue
I recommend traveling to the south before making sweeping generalizations. Some of the most extreme views I’ve encountered in the South I’ve found in states like Pennsylvania and parts of upstate New York too.
This isn’t a geography issue. It’s an education and culture issue
Even post-Watergate Nixon had 25%. I think no matter what he does it isn’t going to drop below that, there’s a subset of the population that simply won’t adjust their opinion on of him.
Keep in mind a lot of people simply aren’t paying attention and a lot of people have made MAGA a core part of their personality; to turn on it now would mean admitting that all their social media posts, financial contributions, merch, and ruined relationships were in vain. It’s massively humiliating to admit to yourself and others that you were that overconfidantly wrong to hitch your wagon to a known conman rapist.
I’ve found that in every US political poll, the absolute worst of the worst topic or candidate will almost always have 25-30% support. I really think a quarter of people are complete assholes who lack empathy and care for no one but themselves.
Realistically, a portion of that is going to be people trolling/giving a “joke” answer, a portion is going to be people who are so unaware of literally anything going on that they just answer “sure, it’s fine”, or are basically illiterate and effectively just answer randomly. The number of people who are seriously answering are going to be a smaller subset of that number, greater than 0% but lower than the true number.
I’m sure there are those that have fatiqued from any pressure to change their opinions and tuned out of any negative news as something they don’t trust. They are not even reading them. Kinda the same way I’m fatiqued about anything Trump related and just moving on.
It’s an intentional mix of low education, racist history, rural isolation, a faith-based understanding of reality, and 50 years of relentless fascist propaganda. It creates a culturally reinforced tribalism in Republicans and makes them into a sort of cattle-class that can easily be led around by media misinformation. They’re too isolated, too dumb, and too blindly loyal to The Party to ever wake up to the reality of their subjugation or the evil of their leaders.
That’s why they’ll never abandon Trump.
Just like a grand jury will typically indict a ham sandwich, a GOP voter will typically approve of a ham sandwich if their is an R next to its name. Then again, I would rate Sandwich, Ham ® higher than Trump too, so…