• Djehngo@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_annual_rates_and_counts_for_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers

    • Venuzela is 1st with 1829.9 per 10M
    • USA is at 29th with 33.1 per 10M
    • Poland is at 60th with 0.5 per 10M
    • Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland and Croatia are recorded as 0

    Declaring something happens in every country with armed police Is asinine when it happens 55 times more in some places and 66 times less in others.

    When there are countries with such a dramatically lower rate of security services killing civilians there are important lessons to be learned there, rather than throwing up our hands and saying something like “well states will murder wherever states exist, don’t worry about it, it’s normal”. Edit: better characterisation in pupperdreams’ reply below

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      8 days ago

      I think their point is less “states kill so there’s nothing to be done” and more, “states kill so we know exactly what to do”. Not to say you don’t have a point about frequency but I’m just saying anarchists exist.

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        8 days ago

        Yeah, fair that is probably a truer reading of their intent, I will edit my post to refer to yours.

        I would still argue that taking proven approaches that cut security services related murders by up to 98.5% is worth doing and dismissing that on the basis that anarchism if somehow implemented in the US would solve the last 1.5% is…

        Well whatever, I don’t want to try to debate people out of anarchism, especially not here.