• underisk@lemmy.ml
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    14 hours ago

    A permanent utopia free from geopolitical influence has yet to be established under any system of government, therefore no system of government has ever worked.

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      9 hours ago

      Why is “permanent utopia” the criterion? I don’t know of any political system that claims there will be a “permanent utopia”, except maybe dreams of what communism might one day be like.

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        9 hours ago

        Well, permanent because if it gets destroyed it you can’t call it successful, and utopia because you need an ideal to measure success against even if its not realistically achievable.

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          3 hours ago

          Were carrier pigeons not successful? Just because something is discontinued, doesn’t mean it was not successful for its time when it was deployed?

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            1 hour ago

            Carrier pigeons aren’t trained to establish a safe society for humanity. So if they get destroyed they haven’t failed at their primary objective. Governments, though…