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You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?
The state of the US police force is not some kind of act of God that nothing can be done about. You’re just all too goddamned lazy and selfish to fix it (see also: healthcare, education, school shootings, …)
Checking in from Norway. Can confirm that neither myself nor anyone I know has ever expressed that they’re afraid of the police, or that they have reason to be. People I know include a fair number of people with minority backgrounds, criminal records, or both, so this isn’t a statistic that comes from never interacting with the cops.
Sure, cops here can make mistakes, and sure, there are probably some people that shouldn’t be cops who are. However, by and large, it typically becomes a national media case if someone is injured by the police. Excessive use of force seems to be very uncommon, and in the few cases I’m aware of where it’s happened, the cops involved have been charged and sentenced for it.
It may seem alien to you, but when you build a well educated police force from people that actually want to help their communities, what you get is a police force that most people feel they can trust. When you follow up with clear corrections when some cop does something wrong, you end up with a system that most people feel they can trust.
Relevant link: The average Norwegian rates their trust for the police at about 7.5 / 10, which is the highest of any public institutions here (slightly above courts at 7/10, and a bit ahead of the parlament at about 6.7 / 10).
Edit: Some more details from the link above: Most European countries (Poland, Slovenia and Czechia excluded) rated their trust for the police above 6/10 in 2014, so this isn’t some uniquely Norwegian thing. All the European countries investigated have in common that the police are rated highest out of the public institutions.
There’s plenty of people in Norway who are afraid of the police, especially minorities. We got discrimination going on just like everywhere else, it just doesn’t reach the national news most of the time. The officer who killed Eugene Ejike Obiora not only got away scot-free, he’s now the chief of operations for the local police force and is still harassing our minorities.
I didn’t mean to imply that no problems exist, they definitely do. My point was regarding the original comment that “not being afraid of the police is the norm in most developed democracies”. Despite some exceptions, I would definitely state that the norm in Norway is, by a solid margin, to not be afraid of the police. There’s also plenty of statistics that back me up on that.
You might wanna read up on the history of policing in Canada. Our police force is systematically corrupt and deeply racist. Our mounties were created from the men who did the red river massacre of indigenous peoples and to this day, cops across the country are giving “starlight tours” and murdering civilians with impunity.
A lot of places train their police to de-escalate conflicts, as a default. This leads to far more reasonable encounters.
E.g. in the UK, we have some issues with racism and excessive racial profiling. I know quite a few people who dislike the police (of various ethnic groups). I know very few who fear the police (outside of them doing their job).
I also know a couple of people who work within the police (backroom). They are actively trying to deal with racism within the force. Unfortunately it’s a bit of a game of whack-a-mole, but at least they are trying.
America seems to be an exception. Just seeing your police out and about put me mentally on guard. They don’t radiate professionalism, but bully swagger.
I mean…. German cops are friendlier than American cops, but they’re still bastards. Oury Jalloh, the fascist WhatsApp group from Hessen, and similar things happen here too.
I mean, yeah, it’s not a big deal if you don’t think about it further. I don’t like knowing that the people who are supposed to be impartial and who might have to intervene in a situation in which I find myself in danger don’t think I’m as valuable as a German citizen is. If the police had faced consequences, I would be a lot less concerned, because as you said, bad things happen everywhere. With no consequences, it means there’s tacit systemic acceptance of that type of behavior and attitude.
As for why a bastard would want to be a cop? You don’t get to witness a man burning alive as a banker.
As I said, it’s better here, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine or good.
I’d say it’s a lot more likely that you’re not aware of what happens in your super secret country you can’t disclose.
It’s a pretty safe bet:
Because even people who live in the “best” countries have complaints.
You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?
The state of the US police force is not some kind of act of God that nothing can be done about. You’re just all too goddamned lazy and selfish to fix it (see also: healthcare, education, school shootings, …)
For non-minorities, sure.
You do realize that perception doesn’t match reality, right?
People not being afraid of police, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be. Just that they haven’t had a personal reason yet…
Which is why no one will name one of these mythical places where police are helpful and not a danger.
Because if you did, anyone could explain what you’re not noticing.
On some level, people realize that, or someone would have given one of the “many developed democracies” as an example.
Checking in from Norway. Can confirm that neither myself nor anyone I know has ever expressed that they’re afraid of the police, or that they have reason to be. People I know include a fair number of people with minority backgrounds, criminal records, or both, so this isn’t a statistic that comes from never interacting with the cops.
Sure, cops here can make mistakes, and sure, there are probably some people that shouldn’t be cops who are. However, by and large, it typically becomes a national media case if someone is injured by the police. Excessive use of force seems to be very uncommon, and in the few cases I’m aware of where it’s happened, the cops involved have been charged and sentenced for it.
It may seem alien to you, but when you build a well educated police force from people that actually want to help their communities, what you get is a police force that most people feel they can trust. When you follow up with clear corrections when some cop does something wrong, you end up with a system that most people feel they can trust.
Relevant link: The average Norwegian rates their trust for the police at about 7.5 / 10, which is the highest of any public institutions here (slightly above courts at 7/10, and a bit ahead of the parlament at about 6.7 / 10).
Edit: Some more details from the link above: Most European countries (Poland, Slovenia and Czechia excluded) rated their trust for the police above 6/10 in 2014, so this isn’t some uniquely Norwegian thing. All the European countries investigated have in common that the police are rated highest out of the public institutions.
There’s plenty of people in Norway who are afraid of the police, especially minorities. We got discrimination going on just like everywhere else, it just doesn’t reach the national news most of the time. The officer who killed Eugene Ejike Obiora not only got away scot-free, he’s now the chief of operations for the local police force and is still harassing our minorities.
I didn’t mean to imply that no problems exist, they definitely do. My point was regarding the original comment that “not being afraid of the police is the norm in most developed democracies”. Despite some exceptions, I would definitely state that the norm in Norway is, by a solid margin, to not be afraid of the police. There’s also plenty of statistics that back me up on that.
Let me guess: you’re not afraid of the police and also white.
Yeah, I live in Canada, and while the cops do some fucked up shit, it’s not nearly to the level as US cops.
I never see a cop and feel scared for myself or anybody around me. At most, I feel worried that there’s something happening.
You might wanna read up on the history of policing in Canada. Our police force is systematically corrupt and deeply racist. Our mounties were created from the men who did the red river massacre of indigenous peoples and to this day, cops across the country are giving “starlight tours” and murdering civilians with impunity.
Here is a good place to start educating yourself, since our news does a terrible job of holding cops to account in our country. https://www.canadaland.com/shows/commons-the-police/
I’m aware.
Here’s another famous incident murdering a teen on a bus.
Two Welland cops shoot each other 10X and not one gets a conviction.
Hamilton cop in charge of youth outreach charged with exploitation, and in a first, suspended without pay. very rare.
That is very naive. CDN cops are assholes.
What are you trying to convince me to be scared of with that article?
They’re from fantasy land where pigs aren’t bastards.
A lot of places train their police to de-escalate conflicts, as a default. This leads to far more reasonable encounters.
E.g. in the UK, we have some issues with racism and excessive racial profiling. I know quite a few people who dislike the police (of various ethnic groups). I know very few who fear the police (outside of them doing their job).
I also know a couple of people who work within the police (backroom). They are actively trying to deal with racism within the force. Unfortunately it’s a bit of a game of whack-a-mole, but at least they are trying.
America seems to be an exception. Just seeing your police out and about put me mentally on guard. They don’t radiate professionalism, but bully swagger.
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I mean…. German cops are friendlier than American cops, but they’re still bastards. Oury Jalloh, the fascist WhatsApp group from Hessen, and similar things happen here too.
Yeah, but OP doesn’t personally suffer…
Yet.
But if OP is convinced everything is fine, they’ll never stop it from getting worse.
And eventually they’ll transitions from “us” to “them” in the eyes of the government and police.
They’re in that lazy compliance stage fascists support.
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I mean, yeah, it’s not a big deal if you don’t think about it further. I don’t like knowing that the people who are supposed to be impartial and who might have to intervene in a situation in which I find myself in danger don’t think I’m as valuable as a German citizen is. If the police had faced consequences, I would be a lot less concerned, because as you said, bad things happen everywhere. With no consequences, it means there’s tacit systemic acceptance of that type of behavior and attitude.
As for why a bastard would want to be a cop? You don’t get to witness a man burning alive as a banker.
As I said, it’s better here, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine or good.
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