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By Mosab Shawer in Bethlehem, occupied Palestine
Published date: 25 December 2024 14:56 GMT
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I mean, today is stolen holiday, and Jesus never existed. So, it’s just another shitty day in Bethlehem because a bunch of rich cunts want to kill people.
Jesus was historically a real person but also quite different than depicted in many religious contexts.
Uncivilized has an interesting video about whether Jesus was a revolutionary
Jesus was not a real person. Jesus is as real as Noah and his ark. As Lot and his horny daughters. It’s all a collection of oral tales that have been told in many cultures. There may have been “Jesus Like” figures. And, many may have even taken on his name. It’s a common name.
It becomes so obvious when you read how many similar tales exist: Horus, Mithras, Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Dionysus, Osiris, Heracles, Tammuz, Attis.
In 2000 years, expect Capital America to have a following of zealots.
From the first paragraph…
Today scholars agree that a Jewish man named Jesus of Nazareth did exist in the Herodian Kingdom of Judea and the subsequent Herodian tetrarchy in the 1st century AD, upon whose life and teachings Christianity was later constructed,[note 1] but a distinction is made by scholars between ‘the Jesus of history’ and ‘the Christ of faith’.
I’m happy “scholars agree.” But that isn’t evidence. That’s a bunch of dudes who love Jesus finding a way to prove his actual existence.
If you look hard enough, you can find evidence to prove whatever you want, as long as that isn’t disproven with science.
I hate Christmas too but it’s not pagan if that’s what you meant by stolen.
Ah yes. A random YouTube channel. The peak of academic heights.
It’s an internet discussion, if I linked a bunch of scholarly articles, like the creator of the video did, no one would actually read them. It’s a quick introduction for anyone who is curious. Also, this topic has come up on /r/askhistorians several times and has been answered by some of the same scholars referenced in the video.
Everyone knows Jesus was not born on December 25th, and yeah, it was stolen. I can make a YouTube video too. 🙄
That doesn’t make it a stolen pagan holiday. Are you a professor of Roman art and Archeology like Steven Hijmans, one of the scholars cited in the video? The medium of presentation doesn’t make the information invalid.
It’s far from cut and dry, and there are multiple schools of thought and conflicting interpretations. Steven Hijmans is a revisionist. Traditionally, it’s indeed believed that it was originally a pagan holiday in celebration of Sol Invictus.
Steven Hijmans presents an alternative interpretation of the various texts that challenges this understanding. He may or may not be correct, but nevertheless, one should not assume that his views reflect a consensus among historians.
Thank you for engaging with the sources I was providing and not dismissing them outright. I was in the Christmas is pagan camp for a while and found the idea appealing because I dislike how Christianity homogenized everything and stomped out a bunch of unique cultures that we’ll likely never know about.
Then I started seeing some experts in the field trying to dispel the idea and I started to have doubts. Now I think Christmas was created independently and then it absorbed local customs as Christianity spread (that’s just my history enthusiast opinion though).
No scholars have ever gotten it wrong, or argued for something in favor of what their beliefs are, despite it being a well documented topic.
Please make a YouTube video with sources.
People hate the truth 🤷♂️
