• MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    Can I complain about the fact that the Biden/Harris admin prioritized continuing a genocide over beating Trump?

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      13 hours ago

      uh, no? These are literally two irrelevant concepts.

      If you want to complain about the fact that the biden/harris admin have less than desirable stances on the israel/palestine problem, by all means do that. But i don’t see how this is relevant to anything to do with beating trump. Because the statistics literally show that 75 million people voted for kamala harris this election. to the 77 million who voted for trump. Could that specific issue push her over the edge? Maybe, maybe not. It’s impossible to know unless you do incredibly in depth study on it.

      This is literally the meme of “if only it wasn’t slightly too cold for me to comfortably go on a run right now, otherwise i would totally be taking care of my physical fitness, instead i will do nothing.”

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      You can, so long as you acknowledge that them taking an anti Israel stance would most likely also lead to Trump due to other democrats feeling alienated, and thus, a Trump administration that will do even more genocide.

      The sad truth just seems to be that not even among democrats that position is a majority. No matter what you voted for, it would most likely not have changed that. The US needs like 20-40 years of progressive change before the majority is ready to take on such positions, and the way to ensure that timeline becomes longer and longer, is by making choices that undercut even small steps there.

      Don’t vote for the lesser evil, vote for the path towards that eventual US where your opinion is held by the majority.

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        13 hours ago

        Don’t vote for the lesser evil

        unless voting for the lesser evil is that path that leads to that point. Because otherwise you’re stuck voting third party, which is a meme. Or not voting at all, and look where that has gotten us thus far lmao.

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        vote for the path towards that eventual US where your opinion is held by the majority.

        Been trying that for decades and it hasn’t worked.

        The only reason I started voting for the Dems in the first place was because they were anti-war, now they are pro-war so things have moved backwards

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          13 hours ago

          Been trying that for decades and it hasn’t worked.

          ok great news, you can like, do political ground work, today, for free even. Just go outside and talk to people, im sure there are even organizations that will assist you and provide you material to go and do it for them. It’s not hard.

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            13 hours ago

            The money is on the side of pro-war politics, this isn’t about what 1 person is capable of its a systemic problem

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          It’s indeed a shame that the Dems regressed on that issue, and that in the current system you have no alternative choice that can actually win, but sometimes holding a line is all you can do as a single person. The propaganda that the republicans are producing is exactly designed to make sure your position never holds a majority, as with the right stimulation, most people can be made to believe that being pro-war makes you a patriot and a ‘true’ American. And they’ve been winning for a long time on that front too.

          You can’t vote that propaganda away completely with the current democrats, that’s true as well. But it’s incredibly hard to resist when that propaganda is entangled and mixed in with staying informed about the government and society. Things aren’t lost, but if they were hard to impossible before, it didn’t make it any easier like this, even progressive minds can be taught to reject progressiveness, so long as you get to them early and overwhelmingly enough.

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      2 days ago

      You could have if Trump was going to actually end the genocide instead of explicitly saying he was going to make it even worse.

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        How bout the fact that the Biden/Harris admin absolutely refused under any circumstances whatsoever to do their number one job of defending the country against domestic threats and a criminal regime? …and even used notorious opposition party members are their mascots?

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          I didn’t say her campaign was good. But the choice was obvious. Either make things at home better while avoiding escalation around the world, or make things at home substantially worse while also escalating conflicts around the world including in Gaza.

          Harris could’ve just stood there and said “I’m not Trump” and I would say the exact same thing about the idiots that couldn’t bother to vote for her.

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          It was. And it was also everyone else’s top priority that had any common sense. Because most of us with properly functioning brains didn’t hold their vote hostage over things they didn’t give a shit about a year ago. Also- most people saw what was coming from a mile away, and weren’t smug entitled assholes they felt no obligation to participate. They weren’t irresponsible and careless children that would just pretend to be victims alongside everyone else once the smoke clears-

          as I predicted they would.