LOL, same. I did a docker-compose pull and restarted, came here to look at the release notes, and almost started panicking whether I omitted some important upgrade steps. Turns out everything upgraded smoothly automatically though.

I think there was some bad vibes when they got bought by a less than reputable company a while back. I know a lot of people, myself included switched to Mullvad. I am on Proton now though for the port forwarding.

All of this is still irrelevant. If given the same hardware, one OS performs better than another, then one OS is obviously more optimized…

You’re saying a lot of words but it all just boils down to “throw more hardware at the problem”.

How is this relevant? If an OS performs better on old hardware, it’s still an indication that it is more optimized.

Not true. Cumulative updates also take a while, so do the .NET runtimes. Maybe you have a system with a super fast NVMe drive and a new CPU so you don’t realize it, but other OSes can do much more with much less powerful hardware.

Settings and internet are fine. I dunno what to tell you. Very frequently Windows update shows its head, like I’ll randomly want to restart my computer because I installed a piece of software that required it, and then it kicks off a long round updates when I just want to use my computer.

I still think having to leave it on and let it run in the background is still just addressing the symptoms. An update process should be way faster than that so that such a thing isn’t needed.

I turn off modern standby. I don’t want my computer turning on when I am not around or when I am asleep. For laptops, modern standby is famous for turning it on while its in your laptop bag, causing overheating and battery drainage.

I think if an update process is annoying enough to require something like Modern Standby in order to be “seamless”, it needs to be improved.

is a YOU problem.

Wtf is this crap? How is it MY problem when other OSes do a much better job with the update process? You talk about 15 minutes or leaving updates running overnight as if that’s decent. I can do a Linux update within 2 minutes and get my system back up by minute 3. That’s the kind of performance I am expecting and I don’t even need a super fast NVMe drive to do it.

The fact that you’re okay with putting up with Window’s comparatively slow update speed and then have to make excuses for it by saying that the USER needs to constantly baby it or waste power by leaving it overnight is honestly hilarious. To be quite frank, you just don’t know how updates could be better because you’re just used to what Windows has always offered you.

Don’t put the blame on users for a problem that Microsoft can definitely solve but never does.

Most updates on my system are handled overnight, outside the active hours I’ve set in the settings.

Not everyone leaves their computer on draining power. I always put it to sleep when I am not using it. If your argument is that, yeah updates aren’t a problem, you just let your computer run and chew on it for a long time, that’s still a problem…

I am guessing you run your computer all the time instead of putting it to sleep, because it’s never a process that completes transparently in the background for me. It will always build up and then I have to go in and manually trigger it. Or I have to restart because I installed a new application that requires it and then it decides to do them all at once and takes forever.

The longest update I’ve had took about 15 minutes.

Asking someone to take 15 minutes out of their work time to do updates is exactly why people DON’T want to update. Even 15 minutes is insane. That’s a whole standup meeting, that’s a whole presentation, that’s work disruption for a bunch of people.

Linux updates in a minute. That’s the kind of performance we SHOULD be expecting in the modern age and that Microsoft refuses to deliver.

Problem with this is that it’s really hard to figure out whether some update to some minor library is going to affect an application. Sometimes you don’t even know which applications are using that library.

I legitimately haven’t had a windows update take more than 5 minutes during the reboot phase for years.

I wasn’t just talking about the reboot phase…

Downloading gigabytes worth of updates, waiting for them to install, rebooting, see more updates, reboot again takes WAY more than 5 minutes.

There is occasional weirdness if you don’t powercycle though. In particular, certain KDE updates will make the desktop misbehave until you reboot. I get where you’re coming from though. Quick updates and the ability to decide when you want to restart means that I have no qualms about updating frequently.

I am on Arch too and pacman -Syu is usually a snack I have with my morning tea.

I mean, I don’t think I would mind forced updates if they didn’t take so damned long and fail half the time. And then, just when you think you’ve finished installing all updates, you reboot and there’s more updates! Why can’t they just install it all at once?

Plus, after each major update, Microsoft wastes your time by advertising to you about Edge, Office 365, and OneDrive before they even let you get back into the desktop.

Forced security updates is addressing a symptom but not addressing the root cause, which is that the Windows update process is just painful for a myriad of reasons. In Linux, I run one command, wait 5 minutes, reboot, and I am back to work.

God, it’s like they don’t want RCS to succeed.

It does have a bottom toolbar and was configured like that by default before. They must have changed the default some time ago.

System UI is just standard Google Pixel UI and it reacts to apps signaling to it what color theme it’s in. Firefox just isn’t signaling it correctly. It also should be reacting normally to dark mode toggle but it doesn’t because the main Fx toolbar doesn’t change to light mode in the mornings. No other app has this issue.

I have auto dark mode during night time. In the morning, my phone will switch to light mode, but parts of the Firefox UI do not. It will be half in and out of dark mode. Bottom toolbar will be dark, but the top bar (notifications, battery, etc.) will be white text against white background. In the mornings, Youtube videos frequently wont play until I restart the app.

And also Firefox on mobile is kind of a hot mess. Videos regularly are unable to play and dark mode is wonky until you restart the app.

Okay, that join-lemmy redesign needs to make its way to actual Lemmy instances. It looks so sick. Love the color palette and the animations.