An analysis of the Gaza MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

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    7 days ago

    Proving what we’ve all been saying for months now. Israel is committing a genocide with the support of the “civilized” west.

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      7 days ago

      Theorizing a large number of hypothetical deaths from indirect causes does not prove genocide.

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        7 days ago

        Stop with the genocide denial

        Genocide

        On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.

        The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.

        So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.

        More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.

        An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

        Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.

        Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

        Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

        Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

        Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

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          6 days ago

          Stop with the genocide accusations. It’s offensive to people who have actually suffered genocides.

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            6 days ago

            My ancestors did. They went through the Holocaust. Israel is committing a genocide.

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              6 days ago

              It isn’t a genocide just because you say it is.

              And it is nothing like the Holocaust. Not even remotely similar. There is literally nothing, not a single thing, that is similar.

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                5 days ago

                Similarly, it isn’t not a genocide just because the perpetrators say it isn’t.

                Many experts and scholars do make the claim that this is genocide, and frankly a significant section of the world that doesn’t have a direct vested interest (i.e. not involved) seems to be of the opinion that it is.

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                  5 days ago

                  Most people are painfully ignorant about Israel and soak up the propaganda they see on TikTok.

                  An accusation of genocide is a pretty serious accusation and the onus is on people who make the accusation to prove the case. You don’t get to call it genocide just because you hate Israel.

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                    5 days ago

                    No, but as I said plenty of experts and scholars are calling it one. I believe the ICJ said that it is “plausible,” which I taken to mean that it is inconclusive. Consider that this was many months ago before the more recent escalations.

                    For my own part, I’m neither an expert nor do I have enough reliable, unbiased information to make any sort of assertion on the topic. Reasonably, I can only defer to the experts and try to filter out sources that have a vested interested (in either direction). There are experts saying both yes and no, so it really comes down to who you trust.

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        7 days ago

        Oh yeah cause the genocidal intent hasn’t been shown over and over again through the public statements put out there by sitting members of the Israeli government. We must all suffer from collective amnesia.

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          6 days ago

          Comments by extremists in the immediate aftermath of a traumatic terror attack don’t establish genocidal intent. The actions over the past year clearly aren’t in line with those comments.

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            6 days ago

            “immediate aftermath”

            They’re still making those comments up to this day. They’re even attending conferences on settling Gaza where expelling Palestinians from their ancestral lands is a commonly discussed and widespread idea, which in turn constitutes ethnic cleansing and in combination with their statements and actions can amount to genocide.

            I won’t discuss why water is wet. The fact that Israel is committing a genocide has been discussed by various UN officials, ICC officials, and experts on genocide. Go argue with them.

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              6 days ago

              I don’t give a crap what has been “discussed” - the facts clearly show that they aren’t committing genocide. The world knows what an actual genocide looks like.

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                “”“the world”“” aka the five countries fueling the genocide with their own separate set of “”“facts”“”

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                  6 days ago

                  You missed my point.

                  The world knows what genocide looks like because we’ve seen it. And it looks nothing like what is happening in Gaza.