• AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    83
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    12 days ago

    Not to defend our shitty car-centric society but most places in the US aren’t so bad. I would guess that New York in particular presents more challenges for smooth ambulance traffic than almost anywhere else in the country due to its high traffic density and relatively narrow roads and streets. People likely want to move and can’t. Excluding bicycle issues, Americans are pretty good about observing traffic laws and knowing when to give way. (but yes, to a German person, American drivers probably seem like troglodytes)

    • JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      69
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      12 days ago

      That’s fair, but this issue is solved in European cities, via mass transit lowering the number of cars on the road, ambulances being built smaller to fit down narrow passages, and wide bike lanes which ambulances use in emergencies. If anything, NY might be one of the cities most poised to implement all these, if it can just get its shit together.

      • VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        25
        ·
        12 days ago

        I believe this video is from before the congestion pricing in NYC. I wonder if and how much it has improved since.

        • TheRealKuni@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          11 days ago

          I’m in Manhattan this week, and have watched an ambulance slowly move down a street as cars struggled to get out of the way. Even with congestion pricing, there just isn’t much room on the narrow one-way streets.

          • VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            11 days ago

            I’ve lived in many European cities with narrow-streets. Somehow ambulances don’t struggle too much.

            • TheRealKuni@midwest.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              11 days ago

              Not sure what to tell you, only reporting what I’ve seen. On the avenues they’re fine, it’s just the east-west streets in midtown I’ve seen them struggle with.

        • Venator@lemmy.nz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          11 days ago

          Does congestion pricing cause people to give way to ambulances? 🤣

          • VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            11 days ago

            What are you on about? Congestion pricing reduces congestion, which makes ambulances go faster.

            • Venator@lemmy.nz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              11 days ago

              Yeah true, there’s fewer people on the road means fewer will not know how to drive, as people who don’t know how to drive tend to not like driving so might be more motivated to avoid it by the charge. Or it’s just a tax on people who are too poor to be able to turn down a job that requires them to drive…

              The ambulance will still get stuck behind people who don’t know how to drive…

              • VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                5
                ·
                11 days ago

                Congestion pricing impacts rich people more than poor people. You can drive to New York, park outside of the center and take the metro or the bus. Poor people have been doing that for a long time in New York because it’s expensive to park in the city. What jobs in the middle of New York city require you to drive?

              • lovely_reader@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                8 days ago

                Knowing how to drive doesn’t create a space to move your vehicle into when the road is packed like Tetris. The world’s best drivers can get stuck in these situations, too.

                • Venator@lemmy.nz
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  8 days ago

                  But yeah, I’ve seen people managing to block an ambulance on an empty road, some drivers are a special kind of stupid. Which is another good reason why driving should not be the default mode of transport.

      • wischi@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        12 days ago

        Not only that, in many places there are dedicated bus, and taxi (and sometimes tram) lanes which can also be used by emergency services.

      • AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        11 days ago

        I live in East Asia, where public transport is given major funding and has high ridership. There is no law requiring people to move their cars for an ambulance and people just don’t bother. Ambulances routinely get stuck in traffic.

    • thingAmaBob@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      12 days ago

      Yep. Traffic gets the hell out of the way and stops immediately if there are emergency vehicles trying to get through where I live, even in the city.

    • november@lemmy.vg
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      12 days ago

      Not to defend our shitty car-centric society but most places in the US aren’t so bad.

      +1. I’ve never seen this problem in Chicago. Most people pull over and stop until the ambulance has passed.