❌ My parents were autists, therefore I was abused.
✅ My parents were narcissistic abusive assholes, therefore I was abused. (They were also autists, which may have altered the presentation of their abuse, but was not the root cause ✅✅)
I’m more than happy to say my parents abused me because they had a mental disorder, but they weren’t diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, so I’m stuck using autism instead. I wish they had a more socially acceptable disorder to blame.
❌ My parents were autists, therefore I was abused.
✅ My parents were narcissistic abusive assholes, therefore I was abused. (They were also autists, which may have altered the presentation of their abuse, but was not the root cause ✅✅)
So how come you think autism isn’t okay to blame for abuse but narcissism is? And why should I listen to a hypocrite who can’t decide whether disorders cause abuse?
Because autistic traits aren’t abusive traits? If someone is autistic it doesn’t mean they will be abusive. They aren’t mutually exclusive, but they can overlap.
Whereas narcissistic traits are abusive traits, so a narcissist will almost definitely be abusive. But these aren’t mutually inclusive with each other, so someone can be abusive without being a narcissist.
I don’t know your parents or your situation; if you say they were abusive, I believe you. But if you say they were abusive because of their autism, that is just plainly false. You don’t have to blame it on some mental disorder, diagnosed or not. You can just say they were abusive.
Those are the DSM-5 entries for ASD and NPD. I see no mention of empathy in the ASD entry, but an explicit mention for NPD. Individuals with ASD might occasionally appear to have no empathy, but only because they have trouble with social norms, contexts, and cues.
I’ll note that the NPD criteria also includes “interpersonal exploitative behavior” which I would interpret as manipulative/abusive.
The most famous feral child case in history is a girl named Genie, who was abused because her single father had autism and noise sensitivity. He couldn’t stand the sound of crying, so he locked her in a room and beat her if she cried. She learned that making noise was bad, and never learned to talk. When she was rescued, she learned a few words, but never how to use them properly.
And you want me to believe that’s not as bad as narcissism. You want to minimise Genie’s abuse and my abuse, because our parents didn’t have the “right” disorder to call out. You’re a disgusting abuse enabler.
Are you seriously trying to absolve my parents of responsibility for their abuse? You’re disgusting.
❌ My parents were autists, therefore I was abused.
✅ My parents were narcissistic abusive assholes, therefore I was abused. (They were also autists, which may have altered the presentation of their abuse, but was not the root cause ✅✅)
I’m more than happy to say my parents abused me because they had a mental disorder, but they weren’t diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, so I’m stuck using autism instead. I wish they had a more socially acceptable disorder to blame.
Ok.
❌ My parents were autists, therefore I was abused.
✅ My parents were
narcissisticabusive assholes, therefore I was abused. (They were also autists, which may have altered the presentation of their abuse, but was not the root cause ✅✅)So how come you think autism isn’t okay to blame for abuse but narcissism is? And why should I listen to a hypocrite who can’t decide whether disorders cause abuse?
Because autistic traits aren’t abusive traits? If someone is autistic it doesn’t mean they will be abusive. They aren’t mutually exclusive, but they can overlap.
Whereas narcissistic traits are abusive traits, so a narcissist will almost definitely be abusive. But these aren’t mutually inclusive with each other, so someone can be abusive without being a narcissist.
I don’t know your parents or your situation; if you say they were abusive, I believe you. But if you say they were abusive because of their autism, that is just plainly false. You don’t have to blame it on some mental disorder, diagnosed or not. You can just say they were abusive.
ASD and NPD both involve a lack of empathy. They’re exactly as abusive as each other.
Lol, ok.
ASD
NPD
Those are the DSM-5 entries for ASD and NPD. I see no mention of empathy in the ASD entry, but an explicit mention for NPD. Individuals with ASD might occasionally appear to have no empathy, but only because they have trouble with social norms, contexts, and cues.
I’ll note that the NPD criteria also includes “interpersonal exploitative behavior” which I would interpret as manipulative/abusive.
The most famous feral child case in history is a girl named Genie, who was abused because her single father had autism and noise sensitivity. He couldn’t stand the sound of crying, so he locked her in a room and beat her if she cried. She learned that making noise was bad, and never learned to talk. When she was rescued, she learned a few words, but never how to use them properly.
And you want me to believe that’s not as bad as narcissism. You want to minimise Genie’s abuse and my abuse, because our parents didn’t have the “right” disorder to call out. You’re a disgusting abuse enabler.