That’s not true. Supporting socialism has nothing to do with one’s financial situation, but rather about advocating for a more equitable society where everyone has access to basic needs.
it has to do, as you have nothing to lose. Never said it is only based on this, but it will have an effect. You’ll be less tempted to vote for a party that will make you lose half your wealth if you’re currently rich
That’s a classic strawman argument. Just because someone supports socialism doesn’t mean they’re motivated by personal gain or a desire to take from the wealthy. It means they care about creating a more equitable society for all.
That’s not what I meant to say. What I meant to say is you’re less inclined to vote for socialism if you end up suffering economically for it. There sure are people that just want people to be equal, but it’s pretty obvious to see that the proudest defenders of this are often the ones who would benefit the most of this, which is likely to be linked to what I said above.
or a desire to take from the wealthy
It sure seems like many do. Saying that on lemmy is… bold
Yes, there’s some truth to that. If someone with vast resources wanted to end world hunger today, they could make a significant impact. But let’s be real, people tend to prioritize their own interests and comfort over the greater good.
Does it exist in the world today? If so, then I do know what it is. Is it a political philosophy that exists largely in books because most holistic attempts to implement it results in authoritarianism and institutional dysfunction? If so, then I know about that too. (Yes, and the ones the US toppled to maintain its interests, obvs. Are you suggesting those are the only “real” socialist countries?)
I’m not buying your strawman argument. I don’t appreciate your mischaracterizations. What I said was that many people are selfish and act in their own interest. However, I believe most people are inherently good and are often victims of their environment. That’s why I support socialism - it is a system that aims to address the root causes of inequality and promote the common good.
My point was that the American experiment in self-governance is an ideal we’re always reaching for. So despite our ancestors’ failure to deliver luxury gay space communism to one and all (or to prevent the destruction of the biosphere, or to protect the fairness of the vote . . . well, a lot of things, really) we still have a role to play in yrying to make it better.
My point is everyone working within the structures that exist to bring equity and justice doesn’t mean they’re all corporate genocidal shitweaels as is so often implied by “socialists” who are not part of that effort. Maybe they’re just regular people.
Shouldn’t that be “we’re doomed any way”? Or are there just two options?
Laws can help though, one step at a time. Socialism isn’t throwing the old system away entirely
Totally agree, which is why I recommend using the Democratic party to implement more (and more) socialist policies. But I’m constantly told by “lefties” (of which, I assume some significant part consider themselves socialist) that Democrats are worse than Hitler and the only option is to just let republiQans win. Which, y’know, they did. And now it’s all this.
Yeah I’m a socialist who was born poor but now has a lot to lose. You’re full of shit and only say things like this to bury your head in the sand and pretend that everyone else is as callous and selfish as you are.
Socialism in political theory is the idea that, at minimum, some systems should be owned by the collective - that’s it. The Road system in the US is largely a socialist project, for reference. USPS was also a socialist project before it was privatized. So is our now mostly defunded education system. Our fucking amazing national park system was also a socialist project to create jobs during the great recession. And the only reason that these things are going downhill is because we’ve defunded them.
Other things socialists want would be federally funded healthcare, a federally maintained train system, college being funded by US taxes, etc.
Yes, stalinism, communism, and Maoism are socialist ideologies. So is social democracy, the Nordic model, and various others.
You’re brainwashed based on your reaction to that word.
Socialism is really broad. It’s not just that (but yea it starts with it), but “so socialist” indicates the more “strict” or left-wing versions of socialism
You’re brainwashed based on your reaction to my reaction
or because you have nothing to lose from it in your current situation
That’s not true. Supporting socialism has nothing to do with one’s financial situation, but rather about advocating for a more equitable society where everyone has access to basic needs.
it has to do, as you have nothing to lose. Never said it is only based on this, but it will have an effect. You’ll be less tempted to vote for a party that will make you lose half your wealth if you’re currently rich
That’s a classic strawman argument. Just because someone supports socialism doesn’t mean they’re motivated by personal gain or a desire to take from the wealthy. It means they care about creating a more equitable society for all.
That’s not what I meant to say. What I meant to say is you’re less inclined to vote for socialism if you end up suffering economically for it. There sure are people that just want people to be equal, but it’s pretty obvious to see that the proudest defenders of this are often the ones who would benefit the most of this, which is likely to be linked to what I said above.
It sure seems like many do. Saying that on lemmy is… bold
Yes, there’s some truth to that. If someone with vast resources wanted to end world hunger today, they could make a significant impact. But let’s be real, people tend to prioritize their own interests and comfort over the greater good.
So you admit socialism is an ideal that can never be realized?
Bro you have no idea what the term “socialism” even means. Get fucking educated
calm down
political topics really rile people up
Does it exist in the world today? If so, then I do know what it is. Is it a political philosophy that exists largely in books because most holistic attempts to implement it results in authoritarianism and institutional dysfunction? If so, then I know about that too. (Yes, and the ones the US toppled to maintain its interests, obvs. Are you suggesting those are the only “real” socialist countries?)
Maybe your fucking education was shit.
I’m not buying your strawman argument. I don’t appreciate your mischaracterizations. What I said was that many people are selfish and act in their own interest. However, I believe most people are inherently good and are often victims of their environment. That’s why I support socialism - it is a system that aims to address the root causes of inequality and promote the common good.
My point was that the American experiment in self-governance is an ideal we’re always reaching for. So despite our ancestors’ failure to deliver luxury gay space communism to one and all (or to prevent the destruction of the biosphere, or to protect the fairness of the vote . . . well, a lot of things, really) we still have a role to play in yrying to make it better.
My point is everyone working within the structures that exist to bring equity and justice doesn’t mean they’re all corporate genocidal shitweaels as is so often implied by “socialists” who are not part of that effort. Maybe they’re just regular people.
A society where everyone is responsible isn’t doable. People are assholes, we’re doomed either way
Laws can help though, one step at a time. Socialism isn’t throwing the old system away entirely
Shouldn’t that be “we’re doomed any way”? Or are there just two options?
Totally agree, which is why I recommend using the Democratic party to implement more (and more) socialist policies. But I’m constantly told by “lefties” (of which, I assume some significant part consider themselves socialist) that Democrats are worse than Hitler and the only option is to just let republiQans win. Which, y’know, they did. And now it’s all this.
Yeah I’m a socialist who was born poor but now has a lot to lose. You’re full of shit and only say things like this to bury your head in the sand and pretend that everyone else is as callous and selfish as you are.
good for you
And yea, keep making assumptions
So they are not a capitalist.
Socialism in political theory is the idea that, at minimum, some systems should be owned by the collective - that’s it. The Road system in the US is largely a socialist project, for reference. USPS was also a socialist project before it was privatized. So is our now mostly defunded education system. Our fucking amazing national park system was also a socialist project to create jobs during the great recession. And the only reason that these things are going downhill is because we’ve defunded them.
Other things socialists want would be federally funded healthcare, a federally maintained train system, college being funded by US taxes, etc.
Yes, stalinism, communism, and Maoism are socialist ideologies. So is social democracy, the Nordic model, and various others.
You’re brainwashed based on your reaction to that word.
Socialism is really broad. It’s not just that (but yea it starts with it), but “so socialist” indicates the more “strict” or left-wing versions of socialism
You’re brainwashed based on your reaction to my reaction