cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/46449191

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday Ukraine should agree a deal to end the war with Russia because “Russia is a very big power, and they’re not”

  • protist@mander.xyz
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    1 day ago

    Unfortunately, you and I both know that even if Ukraine were to agree to cede some land to Russia, there’s nothing stopping Putin from continuing to sow instability in Ukraine or from still trying to take more of their land. In fact, he has a demonstrated track record of lying about this.

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      1 day ago

      True. Trump, Putin, Xi are not to be trusted but there has to be an end to the war. Ukraine cannot win it, it is clear since day one. There has to be some sort of diplomatic solution once there is a ceasefire.

      People in the comments (and West, in general) don’t understand how terrible war is. They think them supporting Ukraine to prolong the inevitable is a good thing. They are killing thousands of people and the outcome is unlikely to change. So many deaths in vain.

      A very stupid and naïve argument people make is Putin should just leave Ukraine and the war will be over. Why would he give up a winning game? It is simple solution to a very complex problem, and simple solutions are rarely correct solutions.

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        23 hours ago

        Are you stupid or are you paid? „Let them have land” is literally the simplest most retarded solution, yet you dare use that descriptor against something else.

        Ceding land to Russia doesn’t stop people from dying. Never did, never will do.

        I get it, your sorry pathetic ass is tired of war that you’re not affected by. You’d rather sweep a few million lives under the rug and call it peace.

        Well, your voice belongs under that very rug.

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          23 hours ago

          Ceding land is something which is going to happen whether you like it or not and whatever replies my comment gets. It is just the real, on ground situation

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            23 hours ago

            Russia is almost out of tanks, their economy is a shambles, their oil is barely profitable, and they lose 3 men for every one Ukraine does. They may well lose.

            Germany lost ww1 this way, they simply could no longer sustain the conflict economically. Wars of attrition look impossible until they suddenly collapse.

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            19 hours ago

            Not necessarily. You could end up with the Korea scenario, or India Pakistan border with everlasting tension between the two.

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        People in the comments (and West, in general) don’t understand how terrible war is.

        Of course it’s terrible. But have you thought about how terrible being subjugated by Russia would be? They already have a track record of kidnapping Ukrainian kids and doing who knows what with them.

        Do you think once the war ends everything will be happy rainbows and cupcakes? Of course not. Conquering Ukraine is the first step in atrocities against its people.

      • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.works
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        You call 250,000 Russians killed and 1,000,000 total Russian casualties a “winning game?” Do you play Squid Game on weekends for fun?

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          Yes, because war is won by winning or losing assets. Casualties are a side thing. It is fucking sad but it is what it is.

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            1 day ago

            war is won by winning or losing assets

            On that front, Russia’s Soviet inheritance is spent. Covert Cabal regularly does videos on Russia’s remaining tank fleet and there is nothing of note left in storage. They all blew up in Ukraine. Every single link there is a picture or video of an exploded Russian vehicle. Click on a few, then just scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll…

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              23 hours ago

              Russian war production is more than 3 times of whole Europe. They can bear some losses. Mineral rich land is much more valuable than weapons.

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        1 day ago

        I would argue this is pretty naive and stupid:

        For example, Russia can stop the “special operation” if Ukraine gives them the land they want.

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        This is also very naive and very stupid

        People are already dying ffs. Stop the deaths that are happening right now than fearing for potential genocide. I don’t even think Putin wants a genocide, he just wants land. Edit - It is extortion 100% but what is the alternative?