• Reygle@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Good, but there’s more to it than that. I’d argue the carrier is actually the least important part of this

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        The carrier is probably the most important part of this. One can choose to use a dumbphone with limited system services, hell, an IOT board with a speaker and a microphone attached. It is comparatively easy to silence local software.

        However, one can not stop the cell carrier from gathering e911 “required” telemetry (GPS geolocation and cell site location ranging data) except to keep the modem turned off. (If one believes “off” is off.)

        There used to be telecom regulations around privacy way back when, but those days are apparently long behind.

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            2 days ago

            You can create a complete new Google account, using a burner phone paid in cash.

            However, the PHONE is what is tracked, all the time, on the network.

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              2 days ago

              You’re not wrong, just saying there’s a lot of data being stolen from most every device that most people use, regardless of carrier.

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                Oh yeah, but even that can be worked around. GrapheneOS on a Pixel without any Google services doesn’t say a peep to anyone. Graphene even has proxies set up for Android services that may “need” Google. So it is at least possible. You can’t stop the carrier from looking inside your pants. Even voice-only mode, the carrier still has telemetry connections established. It used to be they’d keep the data they harvested themselves for network diagnostics and throw it away, then they had government-mandated data harvesting time limits. Although none of that matters when it can just be funneled away and stored forever.

                AMPS analog cellular was neat. No reason to keep the phone on. No reason to be contacted. Even if it was on, the privacy radius was huge. Maybe the solution is to replicate that “turn it off” behavior today.