I’ve seen what feels like a hundred posts complaining about people saying we need to support Gavin Newsome no matter what but I have yet to see someone saying we need to support Gavin Newsome no matter what.
“You don’t need to comment on every post about Newsom trolling Trump by talking shit about him. You can support a thing he’s doing without supporting him.”
For an eventual presidential run. This is what the DNC does. Spend three years finding the worse technically electable person they can, then pressure the left into voting for them because otherwise the republicans will destroy everything.
I personally had many people pile on me when I criticized him during the peak of his meming on Trump. But it does feel like the tide has turned against him a bit now.
Look at what Newsom is actually doing: presiding over a state where, for the vast majority of his constituents, it’s becoming unaffordable to live in while at the same time he is actively criminalizing homelessness.
I don’t see it much on here, but they’re everywhere on Bluesky. You can search Newsom’s name and the first result will probably be someone talking shit about him with tons of comments and quote posts telling them they’re just trying to get Trump to win a third term.
Yeah, those posts were in response to people being completely shitty about it.
Do you need me to link to some previous discussions where there are accusations of someone being an accelerationist who prefers Trump because they criticized Newsom? Because that was just yesterday. That’s not even touching the people who flat out say ‘I am absolutely willing to sacrifice trans rights because everyone else is more important’.
The funny thing about trans people is that they also care about having an administration full of insane clowns enabling climate catastrophe, the next pandemic, and the Gaza genocide.
You would think this incredibly basic understanding of the political leanings of the average trans person would get us a little solidarity from Democratic leadership, but we can all go fuck ourselves the second a blue dog dem starts crying about being scared of pronouns apparently.
You don’t have to fuck yourself. But you might be asked to hold your nose and vote even if you can’t compete on the sports team you want. I’m actually unclear when that became a human right. I am far more concerned for your physical safety under another Trump administration.
even if you can’t compete on the sports team you want
It never, ever stops there. And if you view the participation of trans people in public life as a nice thing that we get as a treat when times are good, then yeah, you are kind of telling us to go fuck ourselves.
It should make you stop and think when LGBT leaders and organizations within California are condemning his statements.
I am far more concerned for your physical safety under another Trump administration.
The fact you don’t connect pushing trans people out of public life with the exact transphobia that endangers us is why you need to listen to us instead of deciding you know best and lecturing us about it.
He put proposition 50 this November as a response to Texas move to get additional 5 seats, and is advocating for other governor’s to do the same thing.
Feels kind of manufactured, honestly. I’m also trying to find evidence that he’s a transphobic piece of shit, but it seems like he’s pretty good on trans rights.
I think this post is that “sowing division” thing we’ve heard so much about.
The damage he can inflict is in some ways greater: Republicans attacking us keeps allies on alert, ready to resist. But when Democrats begin to adopt the same rhetoric, that resistance dissolves. Transphobia inside the party is not a treatable wound inflicted by the far right—it is a malignancy, slow-moving but devastating, one that threatens to hollow out decades of progress from within. If it spreads unchecked, it could mark the end of so much our community has fought to preserve.
The entire article is excellent (as usual from Erin), but that especially gets to the heart of why so many trans people are immediately pumping the brakes on this shit. And why so many Democratic voters are unwilling to even consider that this is a problem that urgently needs to be fixed, before it gets worse.
He went on Joe Rogan’s Charlie Kirk’s show and said he doesn’t think trans women should be in sports. Solidarity only goes one way for him.
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He basically capitulated to the claims that “Democrats supporting trans rights have caused them to lose support”.
That’s not even me excusing him. It’s pointing out that he’s spineless and caves under pressure, which might be even more important than whether he supports trans rights.
Which of your rights have you given up for any of those?
How the fuck is keeping trans people out of sports going to fix any of that? Do you think 4 years after 2028 MAGA and climate change will be gone? Will it bring back any dead kids? After we’ve accepted that trans people can’t be allowed in sports, what rights will we have to sacrifice in the next election? And the next? When is the point where you decide that actually there’s a line Democratic candidates can’t cross when it comes to trans rights, even in a primary?
Because it feels a whole lot like there is no bridge too far and people are real fuckin mad about trans people pointing that out.
Because it feels a whole lot like there is no bridge too far and people are real fuckin mad about trans people pointing that out.
Exactly. These people are just mad that the uppity trannies are daring to state the obvious - that if you try to take our rights away, you sure as Hell aren’t going to get our votes. This should be incredibly obvious, but some dunces just can’t see why this would obviously be the case. They don’t actually care about trans people. They’re not willing to listen to trans voices. They just want queer votes to win elections, but the queers need to STFU about actual policy.
I have trans family and love and support them. There is a difference between their rights, freedom, and existence, and their sports careers. They themselves do not place their sports career over every other issue that exists, and neither should you.
I don’t give a fuck. If you consider our rights and existence worthy of sacrifice, then I believe you fully deserve whatever evil a Republican president will bring down on your head.
Hell, you’re giving right in to conservative framing. You’re sitting here pretending this is about sports. But that never was the issue, and you damn well know it. Conservatives don’t give a fuck about women’s sports. They just want to banish trans people from public life. And you’re fully onboard with that project. Frankly, if we’re going to the camps, I hope they burn the whole country to ashes. If Democrats elect a transphobe, I will happily sit the election out, watch Republicans win, and gleefully watch as they tear the country further to pieces. A country that won’t protect its minority populations deserves to burn.
Don’t want this? Then try actually earning the votes of queer people. If our numbers are too small to make our rights worth fighting for, then obviously you don’t need our votes that badly. You’re asking us to believe two things:
Trans rights are minor things that affect few people and aren’t worth worrying about.
Trans people simply have to vote for Democrats, as their support is vitally important.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. Our rights and our votes go together. You want our votes, you damn well better stand up for our rights. If neither party will stand up for our rights, I’ll sit back, disengage from politics, and laugh as this nation collapses into dust.
Do you thinks “sports careers” are the only benefit of sports? Why are you okay with ripping children out of activities with their peers if Republicans decide it’s “controversial”?
Most trans people know how fraught even visiting a gym is, and how important protections for trans people are to even allow us to exercise the way cis people do. I don’t know any trans people that embrace Newsom’s statements or appearance on Charlie Kirk’s shows, and I highly doubt you do either.
Once again, it’s not like I don’t see and understand the issue. I want kids to be able to participate and compete.
I simply will not sacrifice all other concerns for this, and make trans sports a litmus test for all candidates.
People really seem to need me to be a complete transphobic monster for feeling this way. But it’s just a matter of priorities and where the line is drawn. Politics is compromise.
Before you run out of oxygen and collapse, it’s simpler than that. Making trans people in sports a litmus test for any Democratic candidate is a fast track to handing Trump a third term. If we can’t prioritize any better than that, we anre done. And then you can kiss every issue that matters goodbye, including trans people in sports.
Yes, sweetie, I’m sorry to be the bearer of realism, but we must prioritize. And no, I’m no going over the existential edge for any fucking thing having to do with sports, period. We need to get a grip on the fact that we are hurtling toward extinction. You want to shriek about being able to compete on the team you choose as a do-or-die human right. Just no.
And no, I’m no going over the existential edge for any fucking thing having to do with sports, period.
For trans rights is what you mean. Trans kids being able to participate on the appropriate team under Title IX isn’t important enough. Just say that instead of pretending it’s about sports. You’re not fooling any trans people.
Fine. THAT trans right is not a redline priority for me. I feel differently about the availability of gender affirming healthcare. Everyone responding to me really, really needs me to be an anti-trans monster, but I’m simply not going to litmus test candidates on the trans sports issue.
Fuck Newsom. I never liked him - mostly because he is a mental lightweight. The point is we should not make trans people in sports a litmus test for all candidates.
“Oh he isn’t on board with trans athletes? Piece of shit! Next!”
There are in fact more important things to worry about.
This is a slippery slope fallacy. I say sports isn’t worth throwing every single other concern out the window, and you say ah but it’s not about sports, that’s just how it begins - if we don’t stand up for sports now, tomorrow they’ll be shoveling trans kids into crematoria.
You don’t know what the slippery slope fallacy is.
The slippery slope is a fallacy when you’re just making hypothetical conjectures. I’m discussing the exact and specific numerous states have followed. I’m not speculating; I’m describing history.
Again, name ONE political jurisdiction that has stopped at sports. You can’t because you know it never stops there, and that calling this a “slippery slope fallacy” is just your abominable attempt to cover for genocide.
You would have to intentionally try to misrepresent what everyone opposed to Democrats embracing Newsom is saying to come to the conclusion that “Oh he isn’t on board with trans athletes? Piece of shit! Next!” is what anyone is saying. I have certainly been clear the entire time that putting pressure on Newsom to change is the goal.
I’ve seen what feels like a hundred posts complaining about people saying we need to support Gavin Newsome no matter what but I have yet to see someone saying we need to support Gavin Newsome no matter what.
It’s literally in this thread.
I have absolutely seen it.
There’s a big difference between:
“We need to support Gavin Newsom no matter what.”
And
“You don’t need to comment on every post about Newsom trolling Trump by talking shit about him. You can support a thing he’s doing without supporting him.”
As have I, and they are sanctimonous, condescending, and tiresome in the extreme.
Support him for what?
For an eventual presidential run. This is what the DNC does. Spend three years finding the worse technically electable person they can, then pressure the left into voting for them because otherwise the republicans will destroy everything.
I personally had many people pile on me when I criticized him during the peak of his meming on Trump. But it does feel like the tide has turned against him a bit now.
They love the pointless, performative shit.
Look at what Newsom is actually doing: presiding over a state where, for the vast majority of his constituents, it’s becoming unaffordable to live in while at the same time he is actively criminalizing homelessness.
Absolutely. And he vetoed a lot of great bills seeking to address many of the state’s crises.
He also vetoed ranked choice voting
All the more reason to pass STAR or Ranked Robin voting, improved versions of RCV, once he’s out of the governor’s office.
Newsom specifically would never would have won reelection for the governor’s race under ranked choice voting.
I don’t see it much on here, but they’re everywhere on Bluesky. You can search Newsom’s name and the first result will probably be someone talking shit about him with tons of comments and quote posts telling them they’re just trying to get Trump to win a third term.
Then these memes should be posted on Bluesky not here where “centrists” are unwanted.
Yeah, those posts were in response to people being completely shitty about it.
Do you need me to link to some previous discussions where there are accusations of someone being an accelerationist who prefers Trump because they criticized Newsom? Because that was just yesterday. That’s not even touching the people who flat out say ‘I am absolutely willing to sacrifice trans rights because everyone else is more important’.
Don’t trans people already have the same rights as other people? The things happening to them are prejudice.
No.
It is illegal for trans people to use the bathroom corresponding with their gender in 13 states. (Drop down menu to change maps)
It’s illegal to update your gender markers on ID in 3 states.
Over half of states prevent trans youth from even playing in school sports.
In 10 states it’s not considered a hate crime to attack a trans person for being trans.
Conversion “therapy,” proven to be psychologically damaging, is legal in almost half of states, including against youth who can’t say no to it.
It’s legal to discriminate against trans people in housing in almost half of states.
18 states allow employers to fire someone for being transgender.
TIL
The funny thing about trans people is that they also care about having an administration full of insane clowns enabling climate catastrophe, the next pandemic, and the Gaza genocide.
You would think this incredibly basic understanding of the political leanings of the average trans person would get us a little solidarity from Democratic leadership, but we can all go fuck ourselves the second a blue dog dem starts crying about being scared of pronouns apparently.
You don’t have to fuck yourself. But you might be asked to hold your nose and vote even if you can’t compete on the sports team you want. I’m actually unclear when that became a human right. I am far more concerned for your physical safety under another Trump administration.
It never, ever stops there. And if you view the participation of trans people in public life as a nice thing that we get as a treat when times are good, then yeah, you are kind of telling us to go fuck ourselves.
It should make you stop and think when LGBT leaders and organizations within California are condemning his statements.
The fact you don’t connect pushing trans people out of public life with the exact transphobia that endangers us is why you need to listen to us instead of deciding you know best and lecturing us about it.
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/why-transgender-people-are-not-feeling
Condemn the statements, surely. Make trans sports an overriding litmus test for any candidate? No.
This is the time for someone else to step up and be noticed by the crowd.
Exactly. I support Newsom because he fights and would even support even Republicans. We need everyone.
Most Democrats don’t do anything beyond nice speeches and many don’t even bother with that.
Does he fight? What’s he actually done beyond steal Trump’s vibes?
He put proposition 50 this November as a response to Texas move to get additional 5 seats, and is advocating for other governor’s to do the same thing.
It’s funny how that works on here.
Feels kind of manufactured, honestly. I’m also trying to find evidence that he’s a transphobic piece of shit, but it seems like he’s pretty good on trans rights.
I think this post is that “sowing division” thing we’ve heard so much about.
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/why-transgender-people-are-not-feeling
The entire article is excellent (as usual from Erin), but that especially gets to the heart of why so many trans people are immediately pumping the brakes on this shit. And why so many Democratic voters are unwilling to even consider that this is a problem that urgently needs to be fixed, before it gets worse.
He went on
Joe Rogan’sCharlie Kirk’s show and said he doesn’t think trans women should be in sports. Solidarity only goes one way for him.Edit: the deleted comment under this by Madzielle is the work of a coward. Post for real and stand by your (shitty) opinion. Don’t delete it immediately just so it hits my inbox and you suffer no community consequences from it.
He basically capitulated to the claims that “Democrats supporting trans rights have caused them to lose support”.
That’s not even me excusing him. It’s pointing out that he’s spineless and caves under pressure, which might be even more important than whether he supports trans rights.
Rogan would be one thing since he’s a bit independently minded it was even worse it was Charlie Kirk. No reason to give him that audience.
Thanks, corrected.
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Apparently the climate, the constitution, and every child in Gaza need to die on the hill of trans people in sports.
Democrats already sacrificed the climate and Gaza. Now they’re moving on to sacrificing trans people.
Which of your rights have you given up for any of those?
How the fuck is keeping trans people out of sports going to fix any of that? Do you think 4 years after 2028 MAGA and climate change will be gone? Will it bring back any dead kids? After we’ve accepted that trans people can’t be allowed in sports, what rights will we have to sacrifice in the next election? And the next? When is the point where you decide that actually there’s a line Democratic candidates can’t cross when it comes to trans rights, even in a primary?
Because it feels a whole lot like there is no bridge too far and people are real fuckin mad about trans people pointing that out.
Exactly. These people are just mad that the uppity trannies are daring to state the obvious - that if you try to take our rights away, you sure as Hell aren’t going to get our votes. This should be incredibly obvious, but some dunces just can’t see why this would obviously be the case. They don’t actually care about trans people. They’re not willing to listen to trans voices. They just want queer votes to win elections, but the queers need to STFU about actual policy.
I have trans family and love and support them. There is a difference between their rights, freedom, and existence, and their sports careers. They themselves do not place their sports career over every other issue that exists, and neither should you.
I don’t give a fuck. If you consider our rights and existence worthy of sacrifice, then I believe you fully deserve whatever evil a Republican president will bring down on your head.
Hell, you’re giving right in to conservative framing. You’re sitting here pretending this is about sports. But that never was the issue, and you damn well know it. Conservatives don’t give a fuck about women’s sports. They just want to banish trans people from public life. And you’re fully onboard with that project. Frankly, if we’re going to the camps, I hope they burn the whole country to ashes. If Democrats elect a transphobe, I will happily sit the election out, watch Republicans win, and gleefully watch as they tear the country further to pieces. A country that won’t protect its minority populations deserves to burn.
Don’t want this? Then try actually earning the votes of queer people. If our numbers are too small to make our rights worth fighting for, then obviously you don’t need our votes that badly. You’re asking us to believe two things:
Trans rights are minor things that affect few people and aren’t worth worrying about.
Trans people simply have to vote for Democrats, as their support is vitally important.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. Our rights and our votes go together. You want our votes, you damn well better stand up for our rights. If neither party will stand up for our rights, I’ll sit back, disengage from politics, and laugh as this nation collapses into dust.
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Do you thinks “sports careers” are the only benefit of sports? Why are you okay with ripping children out of activities with their peers if Republicans decide it’s “controversial”?
Most trans people know how fraught even visiting a gym is, and how important protections for trans people are to even allow us to exercise the way cis people do. I don’t know any trans people that embrace Newsom’s statements or appearance on Charlie Kirk’s shows, and I highly doubt you do either.
Once again, it’s not like I don’t see and understand the issue. I want kids to be able to participate and compete.
I simply will not sacrifice all other concerns for this, and make trans sports a litmus test for all candidates.
People really seem to need me to be a complete transphobic monster for feeling this way. But it’s just a matter of priorities and where the line is drawn. Politics is compromise.
Before you run out of oxygen and collapse, it’s simpler than that. Making trans people in sports a litmus test for any Democratic candidate is a fast track to handing Trump a third term. If we can’t prioritize any better than that, we anre done. And then you can kiss every issue that matters goodbye, including trans people in sports.
Yes, sweetie, I’m sorry to be the bearer of realism, but we must prioritize. And no, I’m no going over the existential edge for any fucking thing having to do with sports, period. We need to get a grip on the fact that we are hurtling toward extinction. You want to shriek about being able to compete on the team you choose as a do-or-die human right. Just no.
Democrats, telling minorities to sit down, shut up, and learn their place since 1965!
For trans rights is what you mean. Trans kids being able to participate on the appropriate team under Title IX isn’t important enough. Just say that instead of pretending it’s about sports. You’re not fooling any trans people.
Fine. THAT trans right is not a redline priority for me. I feel differently about the availability of gender affirming healthcare. Everyone responding to me really, really needs me to be an anti-trans monster, but I’m simply not going to litmus test candidates on the trans sports issue.
You know we can find other candidates to back than Newsom, right?
Fuck Newsom. I never liked him - mostly because he is a mental lightweight. The point is we should not make trans people in sports a litmus test for all candidates.
“Oh he isn’t on board with trans athletes? Piece of shit! Next!”
There are in fact more important things to worry about.
Name a single political jurisdiction that banned trans kids from playing sports and was content with stopping there. Name one.
This is a slippery slope fallacy. I say sports isn’t worth throwing every single other concern out the window, and you say ah but it’s not about sports, that’s just how it begins - if we don’t stand up for sports now, tomorrow they’ll be shoveling trans kids into crematoria.
I won’t engage that faulty line of reasoning.
You don’t know what the slippery slope fallacy is.
The slippery slope is a fallacy when you’re just making hypothetical conjectures. I’m discussing the exact and specific numerous states have followed. I’m not speculating; I’m describing history.
Again, name ONE political jurisdiction that has stopped at sports. You can’t because you know it never stops there, and that calling this a “slippery slope fallacy” is just your abominable attempt to cover for genocide.
You would have to intentionally try to misrepresent what everyone opposed to Democrats embracing Newsom is saying to come to the conclusion that “Oh he isn’t on board with trans athletes? Piece of shit! Next!” is what anyone is saying. I have certainly been clear the entire time that putting pressure on Newsom to change is the goal.
Wouldn’t want to miss an opportunity to fuck over women. And they call themselves progressives. I guess overturning Roe v Wade is “progress” to them