Which of your rights are you voting away with candidates that don’t “toe the line” with your right to exist as a human being?
Why are you so comfortable demanding other people give up their rights while doing none of that yourself?
Why is it more reasonable to you to demand trans people vote against their own rights than to do even the tiniest amount of work pressuring Newsom to stop the fucking transphobia?
Regarding giving up rights comment: who is most likely to change their stance if you were to personally talk to them directly:
Trump or Newsom?
Pressuring one to change their stance isn’t the same as vilifying them. Republican GOP pigs vilify. That’s their play. Let’s be better than that. At least to each other please.
Regarding giving up rights comment: who is most likely to change their stance if you were to personally talk to them directly:
Trump or Newsom?
They both have moved substantially to the right on trans issues. Both are just following opinion polls. So really, I think either are just about as likely. Both of them are amoral monsters that believe in nothing.
Please point out where I have vilified Newsom. Because pointing out his transphobia isn’t it. Asking people to pressure his office to knock the transphobia the fuck off—the very thing you are suggesting I should take into account—isn’t it either.
If you’re saying I’m vilifying other users by asking pointed questions about why they’re so comfortable asking trans voters to vote for someone who is onboard with removing their rights, I don’t accept that as vilification either.
Fuck off with that virtue signalling. The point above remains valid. Vote out the one that WANTS TO ERADICATE MARGINALISED PEOPLE then focus on improving the less-bad candidate.
Sorry. If trans people and their allies are such a small insignificant group that our rights are negotiable, then you’ve decided our votes aren’t important.
To liberals, Dems can sacrifice trans people because we’re so few in number. At the same time, they’ll demand trans people vote Dem because every vote counts. In the classic fascist fashion, we’re both weak and powerful at the same time somehow.
Sorry, but I won’t vote for a vice signaller like Newsom.
then if progressive vote matter, it’s better for you to start pressuring the DNC into doing progressive policies, and providing progressive canidates, and to stop fucking getting in the way where the progressive vote wins.
except right now you and people like you are already demanding progressives give up their voice THREE YEARS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
there is nothing you could possibly say, and there is nothing the DNC can possibly say right now. only direct action on progressive policies are going to move the needle after the bullshit they pulled
don’t like it? then tell chuck to send me a letter about it
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Newsom, like Labor in the UK, shamelessly feed in to transphobia in an attempt to pander to the right. UK liberals haven’t listened. And corporate Democrats are walking the same path, completely ignoring their constituents. Trump is as likely to change on the issue as Newsom is. In fact, both have changed their views on trans issues to move substantially to the right. Both have walked the same road.
Sorry, but fuck you and your fascist collaboration. And specifically, fuck your lack of morals. The amorality of liberals like yourself is precisely why fascists are advancing. You’re a fascist enabler and collaborator.
Just listen to yourself. You’re condemning someone for having a moral center. That’s psychopath behavior.
When it comes to US national politics at the end of the day you have to choose. When it comes to the president, you have 3choices. The Republican, the Democrat, or tossing your vote. It doesn’t matter if you write in Mickey Mouse, vote for that Green Party lady, Lindon LeRouche or whomever, you and I both know that you’re throwing away your vote, and chances are handing it to the Republican nominee. Your “morals” mean nothing. You shit on the rest of us to make some point that literally nobody will be impacted by, because you gave the Devil your vote. In conclusion, fuck you.
Trump is as likely to change on the issue as Newsom is.
Hahahahaha k
Sorry, but fuck you and your fascist collaboration. And specifically, fuck your lack of morals. The amorality of liberals like yourself is precisely why fascists are advancing. You’re a fascist enabler and collaborator.
Don’t be sorry, you have an opinion. It’s a stupid fucking opinion, but it’s one nonetheless.
Fascists are advancing because of vote abstainers and the consistency of those on the right. I’ll continue to vote left, just as I’ll continue to abuse those on the right. If you’re not voting Democrat in the US system, you’re enabling right. Pretty cut and dried.
“Wanting to exist as a human being in public” is now virtue signaling, very nice.
If it’s super important for trans people to all vote for whatever candidate Dems put forward, and you also believe Newsom is the likely candidate, then you should call his office and tell him that the transphobia is alienating voters. Because it is.
I agree! I so agree. But, and here’s the rub, I’ll vote for him even if he doesn’t change his position. Because he is not the existential threat posed by the GOP.
You refuse to acknowledge my underlying point, that although Newsom (Democrat party by extension) is a threat, Trump and the GOP will / actively ARE displacing minorities (including trans).
But go on, continue attacking the less-worse outcome. Hope that helps when ICE comes knocking.
Or how about we just tell Newsom to go fuck himself and nominate a Democrat who isn’t a transphobic piece of human garbage?
Look, you can ignore the words that trans people are trying to tell you. But trans folks and their allies are not going to vote for an openly transphobic Democratic candidate. You lost in 2024 because you refused to listen to members of your base saying that there are some red lines you can’t cross. You want to try that play again, see how it works again?
Democrats are only five years behind Republicans. Newsom is Republican from five years ago. 2 years into his first term, he will be just as bad as Trump is now. He’s not going to reverse any of the bigoted policies of the Trump administration.
Frankly, if the majority aren’t willing to stand up to protect trans folks, then you all can burn with us. If I’m going to the camps regardless of which party wins, I’ll happily watch the rest of you descend into utter ruin. You want to abandon minority groups? Then you deserve whatever karma brings your way.
With that attitude, writ large across different minorites (with competing values), we are condemned to suffer under the boot.
It is interesting to note that you have projected certain perspectives (e.g. abandoning trans) into my position. These words are not found, nor implied, in anything I’ve stated.
I will continue to rail against authoritarianism and fascism. You may blame me as much as you wish, and I hope you find some measure of fulfillment.
or you could also wish to have another candidate that isn’t a complete non starter. but THREE YEARS BEFORE VOTEING you are all ready to damn progressives and lqbtq peoples. that they are going to have to sacrifice for the greater good, for no reason. there isn’t even any official talk he will be chosen, and RIGHT THE FUCK NOW is the time for peoples voice to be heard.
and my voice is saying, if newsome is the DNC nominee… i. will. not. vote. democrat.
You refuse to acknowledge my underlying point, that although Newsom (Democrat party by extension) is a threat, Trump and the GOP will / actively ARE displacing minorities (including trans).
But go on, continue attacking the less-worse outcome. Hope that helps when ICE comes knocking.
Cool, not sure what you want me to do with that information. I don’t think it was ever in question whether you or any other liberal who is offended by trans people demanding Newsom drop the transphobia would ultimately support him, or any other candidate with his policies, no matter what.
The question is if other voters will. If you don’t think it will change anything, then criticizing his transphobia won’t matter. If you think it will affect who votes for him, then you better start ringing his phone off the hook about it and you better start quick, because the days of trans people being quiet about it are gone. If you want to be the party of trans rights that means you also have to listen to trans people, not just use us as a decoration.
Democrats are frankly quite complicit in the fall of Roe. They never bothered to codify Roe into law, because many of their own members found the topic awkward and icky, so they never bothered to do it. And they made the cold political calculation that keeping abortion as a continual political issue that they could run on was more important than actually protecting the right to abortion.
Fair enough. Which democratic candidate did you vote for to lose reproductive healthcare rights? Because if the answer is “nobody” then that’s a disingenuous comparison. ‘Republicans took away our rights, so you have to vote for a Democratic candidate that wants to take away yours’ doesn’t even make sense.
Which of your rights are you voting away with candidates that don’t “toe the line” with your right to exist as a human being?
Why are you so comfortable demanding other people give up their rights while doing none of that yourself?
Why is it more reasonable to you to demand trans people vote against their own rights than to do even the tiniest amount of work pressuring Newsom to stop the fucking transphobia?
Regarding giving up rights comment: who is most likely to change their stance if you were to personally talk to them directly:
Trump or Newsom?
Pressuring one to change their stance isn’t the same as vilifying them. Republican GOP pigs vilify. That’s their play. Let’s be better than that. At least to each other please.
They both have moved substantially to the right on trans issues. Both are just following opinion polls. So really, I think either are just about as likely. Both of them are amoral monsters that believe in nothing.
Neither one. They don’t listen to the public. They listen to the donor class.
Ah, you’re one of those types of doom scrollers.
Please point out where I have vilified Newsom. Because pointing out his transphobia isn’t it. Asking people to pressure his office to knock the transphobia the fuck off—the very thing you are suggesting I should take into account—isn’t it either.
If you’re saying I’m vilifying other users by asking pointed questions about why they’re so comfortable asking trans voters to vote for someone who is onboard with removing their rights, I don’t accept that as vilification either.
Fuck off with that virtue signalling. The point above remains valid. Vote out the one that WANTS TO ERADICATE MARGINALISED PEOPLE then focus on improving the less-bad candidate.
It remains the less-bad outcome.
Sorry. If trans people and their allies are such a small insignificant group that our rights are negotiable, then you’ve decided our votes aren’t important.
To liberals, Dems can sacrifice trans people because we’re so few in number. At the same time, they’ll demand trans people vote Dem because every vote counts. In the classic fascist fashion, we’re both weak and powerful at the same time somehow.
Sorry, but I won’t vote for a vice signaller like Newsom.
Then you’re a direct enabler of trump. Fuck you and your high minded puratism.
Newsom might listen and change. Trump will not. Choose your battle.
If you think Newsom might listen you can contact him and put pressure on him to change now. If he can change it shouldn’t be hard to prove it, right?
https://www.gov.ca.gov/contact/
Agreed
Then tell him to change his mind and stop telling trans people to vote for someone who actively wants them removed.
You’re telling black people on 1960s to vote for George Wallace.
I’ll tell him. And I’ll continue to vote for him even if he doesn’t change his mind. will you?
Why would “you need to change but if you don’t we’ll support you anyway” be a remotely effective message for achieving political change?
Because I’m afraid of continuance of GOP in unchecked power.
then if progressive vote matter, it’s better for you to start pressuring the DNC into doing progressive policies, and providing progressive canidates, and to stop fucking getting in the way where the progressive vote wins.
except right now you and people like you are already demanding progressives give up their voice THREE YEARS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
there is nothing you could possibly say, and there is nothing the DNC can possibly say right now. only direct action on progressive policies are going to move the needle after the bullshit they pulled
don’t like it? then tell chuck to send me a letter about it
He’s slightly better, so yes. But I’m going to expect better from the lesser evil than the evil party of Republicans.
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Newsom, like Labor in the UK, shamelessly feed in to transphobia in an attempt to pander to the right. UK liberals haven’t listened. And corporate Democrats are walking the same path, completely ignoring their constituents. Trump is as likely to change on the issue as Newsom is. In fact, both have changed their views on trans issues to move substantially to the right. Both have walked the same road.
Sorry, but fuck you and your fascist collaboration. And specifically, fuck your lack of morals. The amorality of liberals like yourself is precisely why fascists are advancing. You’re a fascist enabler and collaborator.
Just listen to yourself. You’re condemning someone for having a moral center. That’s psychopath behavior.
When it comes to US national politics at the end of the day you have to choose. When it comes to the president, you have 3choices. The Republican, the Democrat, or tossing your vote. It doesn’t matter if you write in Mickey Mouse, vote for that Green Party lady, Lindon LeRouche or whomever, you and I both know that you’re throwing away your vote, and chances are handing it to the Republican nominee. Your “morals” mean nothing. You shit on the rest of us to make some point that literally nobody will be impacted by, because you gave the Devil your vote. In conclusion, fuck you.
https://outinstl.com/republican-commentator-joey-mannarino-calls-for-all-trans-people-in-the-u-s-to-be-detained-and-studied/
Just saw this on Lemmy. I didn’t even need to scroll. Please, keep telling me that Democrat Party is the worst choice.
not what he fucking said, and you know it. but newsom is the worse choice democrats could make
Hahahahaha k
Don’t be sorry, you have an opinion. It’s a stupid fucking opinion, but it’s one nonetheless. Fascists are advancing because of vote abstainers and the consistency of those on the right. I’ll continue to vote left, just as I’ll continue to abuse those on the right. If you’re not voting Democrat in the US system, you’re enabling right. Pretty cut and dried.
If you vote for Newsom you’re enabling fascism. It’s pretty cut and dried.
“Wanting to exist as a human being in public” is now virtue signaling, very nice.
If it’s super important for trans people to all vote for whatever candidate Dems put forward, and you also believe Newsom is the likely candidate, then you should call his office and tell him that the transphobia is alienating voters. Because it is.
I agree! I so agree. But, and here’s the rub, I’ll vote for him even if he doesn’t change his position. Because he is not the existential threat posed by the GOP.
He is an existential threat. Newsom has opposed and vetoed bills advancing trans rights. This isn’t just rhetoric.
https://outinstl.com/republican-commentator-joey-mannarino-calls-for-all-trans-people-in-the-u-s-to-be-detained-and-studied/
Just saw this on Lemmy. I didn’t even need to scroll. Please, keep telling me that Democrat are the worst choice.
not what they said and you fucking know that. newsome is the worse choice the democrats could make
Not the worst but I hear your point
What’s your point? Democrats are just five years behind Republicans on the transphobia rot.
Opinion without merit. Dismissed just as easily.
You refuse to acknowledge my underlying point, that although Newsom (Democrat party by extension) is a threat, Trump and the GOP will / actively ARE displacing minorities (including trans).
But go on, continue attacking the less-worse outcome. Hope that helps when ICE comes knocking.
Or how about we just tell Newsom to go fuck himself and nominate a Democrat who isn’t a transphobic piece of human garbage?
Look, you can ignore the words that trans people are trying to tell you. But trans folks and their allies are not going to vote for an openly transphobic Democratic candidate. You lost in 2024 because you refused to listen to members of your base saying that there are some red lines you can’t cross. You want to try that play again, see how it works again?
Democrats are only five years behind Republicans. Newsom is Republican from five years ago. 2 years into his first term, he will be just as bad as Trump is now. He’s not going to reverse any of the bigoted policies of the Trump administration.
Frankly, if the majority aren’t willing to stand up to protect trans folks, then you all can burn with us. If I’m going to the camps regardless of which party wins, I’ll happily watch the rest of you descend into utter ruin. You want to abandon minority groups? Then you deserve whatever karma brings your way.
With that attitude, writ large across different minorites (with competing values), we are condemned to suffer under the boot.
It is interesting to note that you have projected certain perspectives (e.g. abandoning trans) into my position. These words are not found, nor implied, in anything I’ve stated.
I will continue to rail against authoritarianism and fascism. You may blame me as much as you wish, and I hope you find some measure of fulfillment.
or you could also wish to have another candidate that isn’t a complete non starter. but THREE YEARS BEFORE VOTEING you are all ready to damn progressives and lqbtq peoples. that they are going to have to sacrifice for the greater good, for no reason. there isn’t even any official talk he will be chosen, and RIGHT THE FUCK NOW is the time for peoples voice to be heard.
and my voice is saying, if newsome is the DNC nominee… i. will. not. vote. democrat.
So you’ll vote for him if he keeps the Republican talking points, got it. You don’t care what they stand for, but the party they’re with.
https://outinstl.com/republican-commentator-joey-mannarino-calls-for-all-trans-people-in-the-u-s-to-be-detained-and-studied/
Just saw this on Lemmy. I didn’t even need to scroll. Please, keep telling me that Democrat are the worst choice.
You refuse to acknowledge my underlying point, that although Newsom (Democrat party by extension) is a threat, Trump and the GOP will / actively ARE displacing minorities (including trans).
But go on, continue attacking the less-worse outcome. Hope that helps when ICE comes knocking.
The ICE Harris wanted to keep? Sure.
Cool, not sure what you want me to do with that information. I don’t think it was ever in question whether you or any other liberal who is offended by trans people demanding Newsom drop the transphobia would ultimately support him, or any other candidate with his policies, no matter what.
The question is if other voters will. If you don’t think it will change anything, then criticizing his transphobia won’t matter. If you think it will affect who votes for him, then you better start ringing his phone off the hook about it and you better start quick, because the days of trans people being quiet about it are gone. If you want to be the party of trans rights that means you also have to listen to trans people, not just use us as a decoration.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/contact/
Fair play, I agree with your statements. Thanks for taking the time.
Thank you for listening. As you might imagine, this is extremely stressful.
We already lost some rights, roe v wade had been overturned now for some time.
Which Democratic candidate did you vote for to lose them?
Why do you assume that isn’t also a right I’ve lost?
Democrats are frankly quite complicit in the fall of Roe. They never bothered to codify Roe into law, because many of their own members found the topic awkward and icky, so they never bothered to do it. And they made the cold political calculation that keeping abortion as a continual political issue that they could run on was more important than actually protecting the right to abortion.
I said we.
Fair enough. Which democratic candidate did you vote for to lose reproductive healthcare rights? Because if the answer is “nobody” then that’s a disingenuous comparison. ‘Republicans took away our rights, so you have to vote for a Democratic candidate that wants to take away yours’ doesn’t even make sense.