Did I ever claim to be trying to do that? I mean, it’s starting to get convoluted, but my initial point was that people attribute effects to decentralization it doesn’t have by itself, so the differences between the more consolidated Bluesky ecosystem and the less consolidated Masto ecosystem in particular aren’t as meaningful as the graph in the OP suggests.
You were the one who popped up to claim that decentralization prevents monocultures. I just disagreed with that statement and pointed out that… yeah, that’s one of the magic effects people claim that don’t seem to really happen.
Whether that’s a problem or how big of one is entirely up for debate. All I’m saying is it’s not much of a real advantage, as far as I can tell. I’m both here and in BS, so I clearly don’t find either that effect or the lack of that effect to be a dealbreaker, if it exists at all. I’m claiming it doesn’t exist in the first place.
My educated guess is that what would meaningfully change how this conversation is playing out is me unequivocally siding with the home team and bashing the away team. The fact that I’m not necessarily bashing either (or at times I’m bashing both) is perceived as hostility or siding with the away team, because people have squishy brains and that’s how the Internet works and all social media was a mistake.
no you’re just overall confused and I dont particularly care to enlighten you on the topic given your current lack of cognizance and you have yet to demonstrate any nuanced understanding at all on how dynamic systems work and how bluesky’s ecosystem will inevitably crash and burn due to the monoculture it has builtin to its very core via the corporation overseeing it (boom/bust cycle).
There are other larger problems within bluesky’s protocol that will prevent it from surviving as well which are intentional to ensure the administrative control for the corporation backing it.
The blocklists have nothing to do with anything besides ensuring a happier user base.
Go read Chaos by james gleick i guess and come back. thats probably the gentlest primer I can suggest.
edit: and then follow that up with reading about anarchist political theories (its related i promise)
Hah. That is a shockingly… optimistic? take in a world where even Twitter didn’t crash and burn. I would ask how resilient that level of delusion is to observable reality, but refer to my earlier comments about social media and squishy brains.
you’re just a incredibly dense individual. No worries though twitter will continue to hemorrhage its user base as its slide into irrelevance continues.
That’s… entirely delusional. Every stat I can find shows Twitter running pretty much flat since the whole mess started. It’s an order of magnitude larger than Bluesky (which itself seems to be down 15-25% this year) and two orders of magnitude larger than Masto, which is also flat YoY.
There is zero indication that Twitter is declining further and certainly if it is at all those users aren’t going to Fedi, BS or any other federated networks. Even if you believe that most of it is bots now it’s still bigger even discounting that, by most estimations, and it’s not shedding either users or bots towards decentralized networks.
At some point wishful thinking stops being optimism, you know?
How is it a dreamscape? I don’t like it. I don’t want it to be that way. It’s just… what reality seems to be based on every piece of information we can get from it. Time is moving things in the opposite direction you’re hoping for.
Did I ever claim to be trying to do that? I mean, it’s starting to get convoluted, but my initial point was that people attribute effects to decentralization it doesn’t have by itself, so the differences between the more consolidated Bluesky ecosystem and the less consolidated Masto ecosystem in particular aren’t as meaningful as the graph in the OP suggests.
You were the one who popped up to claim that decentralization prevents monocultures. I just disagreed with that statement and pointed out that… yeah, that’s one of the magic effects people claim that don’t seem to really happen.
Whether that’s a problem or how big of one is entirely up for debate. All I’m saying is it’s not much of a real advantage, as far as I can tell. I’m both here and in BS, so I clearly don’t find either that effect or the lack of that effect to be a dealbreaker, if it exists at all. I’m claiming it doesn’t exist in the first place.
My educated guess is that what would meaningfully change how this conversation is playing out is me unequivocally siding with the home team and bashing the away team. The fact that I’m not necessarily bashing either (or at times I’m bashing both) is perceived as hostility or siding with the away team, because people have squishy brains and that’s how the Internet works and all social media was a mistake.
no you’re just overall confused and I dont particularly care to enlighten you on the topic given your current lack of cognizance and you have yet to demonstrate any nuanced understanding at all on how dynamic systems work and how bluesky’s ecosystem will inevitably crash and burn due to the monoculture it has builtin to its very core via the corporation overseeing it (boom/bust cycle).
There are other larger problems within bluesky’s protocol that will prevent it from surviving as well which are intentional to ensure the administrative control for the corporation backing it.
The blocklists have nothing to do with anything besides ensuring a happier user base.
Go read Chaos by james gleick i guess and come back. thats probably the gentlest primer I can suggest.
edit: and then follow that up with reading about anarchist political theories (its related i promise)
Hah. That is a shockingly… optimistic? take in a world where even Twitter didn’t crash and burn. I would ask how resilient that level of delusion is to observable reality, but refer to my earlier comments about social media and squishy brains.
Whatever you say champ.
I mean, it’s not, though. Things either happen or they don’t. You made a prediction that does not match reality.
you’re just a incredibly dense individual. No worries though twitter will continue to hemorrhage its user base as its slide into irrelevance continues.
That’s… entirely delusional. Every stat I can find shows Twitter running pretty much flat since the whole mess started. It’s an order of magnitude larger than Bluesky (which itself seems to be down 15-25% this year) and two orders of magnitude larger than Masto, which is also flat YoY.
There is zero indication that Twitter is declining further and certainly if it is at all those users aren’t going to Fedi, BS or any other federated networks. Even if you believe that most of it is bots now it’s still bigger even discounting that, by most estimations, and it’s not shedding either users or bots towards decentralized networks.
At some point wishful thinking stops being optimism, you know?
Shrug keep living in your dream scape. I dont have to convince you time will take care of it eventually.
How is it a dreamscape? I don’t like it. I don’t want it to be that way. It’s just… what reality seems to be based on every piece of information we can get from it. Time is moving things in the opposite direction you’re hoping for.