Heh, figured you couldn’t even begin to explain your assertions. All you have done is reassert a claim that’s already been disputed without responding to the dispute itself. It’s obvious you are just avoiding engaging in any kind of dialogue because you don’t know enough about the topic to respond.
That’s fine though, you work towards that society you want
A functional sustainable society that provides all basic needs for every citizen? How awful of me…
Again, an obvious attempt of constructing a strawman argument that portrays me as advocating for the current status quo.
You’re only a stepping stone after all.
Again… Where is the production that allows for funding for UBI coming from in this scenario? If basic needs are already met, and providing for some of those basic needs is how UBI traditionally claims to improve production… How does UBI “pay for itself”?
So let me ask you this: if there was a society that every person’s needs are met, they didn’t have to work if they didn’t want to, and everyone there was pretty happy and educated and fulfilled, would you want to live there? No sneaky sci-fi bullshit where it’s the matrix or aliens or whatever, it’s genuinely a society like that on a global scale.
Just because we are arguing about the validity of a hypothetical scenario, does not mean you can introduce the fantastical to aid your argument. Socialism is achievable in the foreseeable future, post scarcity dream world where productivity doesn’t matter does not.
Yes or no please.
Are you incapable of making a rebuttal without the use of a logical fallacy? Why would I agree to debate within the framework of a false dicotomy?
No sneaky sci-fi bullshit where it’s the matrix or aliens or whatever, it’s genuinely a society like that on a global scale.
You are dreaming of a post scarcity society when in reality we are entering an era that is going to be dictated by climate change, mass migration, and dwindling natural resources. Of course everyone would love to live in a post scarcity society… but that’s not a possibility in the foreseeable future outside of alien intervention nor some sci-fi scenario.
Ah, so not only do you resort to childish insults but you’re incapable to actually answer a simple yes or no question. I wonder why you’re afraid to answer, but that’s your business.
Since you obviously don’t respect me, as evident from the above points, I don’t really see a point in trying to defend my position. You wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say, any facts or studies you’d dismiss as a scam, and you won’t even bother trying to get to understand my position enough to argue against it.
You’ve already decided that, because I had even a slightly different position than you, not even against you just different, that you’re smarter, more hard working, and better than me and therefore I deserve, earned even, insults and dismissal.
So this long since hasn’t been an argument in good faith.
Which is really disappointing, I would’ve actually enjoyed having a discussion on the validity of a ubi in a socialist society with someone, but that someone clearly wasn’t going to be you, and never was going to be.
The worst part I feel is how much damage you’re doing to the position of universal healthcare, housing, education and food, by being so venomous. Do your position and your movement a favor and please, don’t engage with people about the subject. You’re doing the same the the WBC does for Christianity, and giving everyone on our side a bad name.
Ah, so not only do you resort to childish insults but you’re incapable to actually
Accurately accusing you of using logical fallacies = childish insults? Maybe try not using a logical fallacy as a rebuttal for once?
answer a simple yes or no question. I wonder why you’re afraid to answer, but that’s your business.
Because I disagree with the inherent premise of the question, and the reasoning that answering it would bring any substance to the dispute.
Since you obviously don’t respect me, as evident from the above points, I don’t really see a point in trying to defend my position.
Lol, convenient timing… You obviously don’t respect me either, I just don’t try to virtue signal my way out of an argument.
You wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say, any facts or studies you’d dismiss as a scam
You haven’t given any facts or studies, or even logical explanations that support your opinion. You have just made the same easily disputed claims over and over again without addressing my rebuttals to them.
You’ve already decided that, because I had even a slightly different position than you, not even against you just different, that you’re smarter, more hard working, and better than me and therefore I deserve, earned even, insults and dismissal.
And now we’re pityfishing… You know, this might have an iota of weight behind it if you didn’t accuse me of wanting to murder homeless people because I have a slightly different position than yours.
I would’ve actually enjoyed having a discussion on the validity of a ubi in a socialist society with someone
I have been asking you to justify your position on this the whole time…
The worst part I feel is how much damage you’re doing to the position of universal healthcare, housing, education and food, by being so venomous.
Trying to explain basic economic realities to a moron…so venomous!
You know I didn’t actually start insulting you until you accused me of being an asshole for trying to explain the flaws in your claim.
giving everyone on our side a bad name.
I don’t think for a second you actually care about anyone but yourself. No one who seriously wants to enact socialism cares about UBI. It is literally a ploy billionaires have been lobbying for about a decade.
Heh, figured you couldn’t even begin to explain your assertions. All you have done is reassert a claim that’s already been disputed without responding to the dispute itself. It’s obvious you are just avoiding engaging in any kind of dialogue because you don’t know enough about the topic to respond.
A functional sustainable society that provides all basic needs for every citizen? How awful of me…
Again, an obvious attempt of constructing a strawman argument that portrays me as advocating for the current status quo.
Again… Where is the production that allows for funding for UBI coming from in this scenario? If basic needs are already met, and providing for some of those basic needs is how UBI traditionally claims to improve production… How does UBI “pay for itself”?
You’ve mistaken my disinterest for ignorance.
So let me ask you this: if there was a society that every person’s needs are met, they didn’t have to work if they didn’t want to, and everyone there was pretty happy and educated and fulfilled, would you want to live there? No sneaky sci-fi bullshit where it’s the matrix or aliens or whatever, it’s genuinely a society like that on a global scale.
Yes or no please.
Just because we are arguing about the validity of a hypothetical scenario, does not mean you can introduce the fantastical to aid your argument. Socialism is achievable in the foreseeable future, post scarcity dream world where productivity doesn’t matter does not.
Are you incapable of making a rebuttal without the use of a logical fallacy? Why would I agree to debate within the framework of a false dicotomy?
You are dreaming of a post scarcity society when in reality we are entering an era that is going to be dictated by climate change, mass migration, and dwindling natural resources. Of course everyone would love to live in a post scarcity society… but that’s not a possibility in the foreseeable future outside of alien intervention nor some sci-fi scenario.
Ah, so not only do you resort to childish insults but you’re incapable to actually answer a simple yes or no question. I wonder why you’re afraid to answer, but that’s your business.
Since you obviously don’t respect me, as evident from the above points, I don’t really see a point in trying to defend my position. You wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say, any facts or studies you’d dismiss as a scam, and you won’t even bother trying to get to understand my position enough to argue against it.
You’ve already decided that, because I had even a slightly different position than you, not even against you just different, that you’re smarter, more hard working, and better than me and therefore I deserve, earned even, insults and dismissal.
So this long since hasn’t been an argument in good faith.
Which is really disappointing, I would’ve actually enjoyed having a discussion on the validity of a ubi in a socialist society with someone, but that someone clearly wasn’t going to be you, and never was going to be.
The worst part I feel is how much damage you’re doing to the position of universal healthcare, housing, education and food, by being so venomous. Do your position and your movement a favor and please, don’t engage with people about the subject. You’re doing the same the the WBC does for Christianity, and giving everyone on our side a bad name.
Accurately accusing you of using logical fallacies = childish insults? Maybe try not using a logical fallacy as a rebuttal for once?
Because I disagree with the inherent premise of the question, and the reasoning that answering it would bring any substance to the dispute.
Lol, convenient timing… You obviously don’t respect me either, I just don’t try to virtue signal my way out of an argument.
You haven’t given any facts or studies, or even logical explanations that support your opinion. You have just made the same easily disputed claims over and over again without addressing my rebuttals to them.
And now we’re pityfishing… You know, this might have an iota of weight behind it if you didn’t accuse me of wanting to murder homeless people because I have a slightly different position than yours.
I have been asking you to justify your position on this the whole time…
Trying to explain basic economic realities to a moron…so venomous!
You know I didn’t actually start insulting you until you accused me of being an asshole for trying to explain the flaws in your claim.
I don’t think for a second you actually care about anyone but yourself. No one who seriously wants to enact socialism cares about UBI. It is literally a ploy billionaires have been lobbying for about a decade.