Ok, I am not saying he wasn’t, but would somebody mind explaining to me exactly why everyone is so ready to declare he is right-wing?
He’s from a morman family, but that doesn’t necisserily mean shit, the most left person I know was raised by mormans.
He also was saying Kirk was too hateful. That does not sound like words from a 4chan incel to me.
And the bullet casings were distinctly antifa, also seems like not a right wing nut to me.
I only ask because I am honestly concerned that the rhetoric around his politics is getting hijacked by people trying to make him a right winger to hide the fact that the left is not afraid to kill.
Edit: Thanks to everyone who took the time to explain what indicates he is a Groyper. And thanks in advance to any more info people share!
Cox said that a family member of Robinson had told investigators that at a recent family dinner, Robinson had mentioned Kirk’s upcoming event at Utah Valley University, and “they talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” Cox said. “The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.”
Note that the family member is the one who said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.” But it has been repeatedly misattributed.
Lefty ex Mormons absolutely exist. And I’ve met several here. But I think all of them, if they were being honest. Would absolutely tell you that they are the exception and not the rule.
4chan incells constantly say everyone who disagrees with them are too hateful because they push back against what the incells say.
The memes on the bullets weren’t clearly antifa. As others have pointed out they’re ironic cultural re-appropriations by fuentez’s community. Precisely because it muddies things and implicates those they see as enemies. It’s a common, fascist tactic to distort and dilute the meaning of things.
There’s been nothing meaningful and verified found that implicates him as a leftist. No literature, no behavior.Or any meaningful indicators whatsoever. Just speculation from someone at Fox and “LOL memes“.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s been Some information possibly from the other side, such as the Photoshop of him in a Trump shirt that has been proven fake.
No one is trying to portray it as the left not being able to kill or commit acts of terror. Everyone is simply pushing back on clear, transparent, fascist propaganda to victimize innocent people. Justifying the violence, they’re already committing. Had much of the media sphere and the President of the United States not already tried using this as a justification to continue attacking innocent people. I would agree with the caution on assumption of the kids political leanings. But, civilly pushing back against fascists is no vice.
“Groypers” are what the followers of Nick Fuentes call themselves.
the shit written on the casings were references to memes they pass around in those circles, and there’s other reasons, including his internet activity to say he was a Groyper.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Shits like a duck, it’s prolly a duck.
What’s strange to me is the grandmother says they are all conservative, and the father says he got increasingly more into politics recently but doesn’t distance himself from it by saying their political beliefs differed.
I would have figured he would want to point out their beliefs differed if they were going to apart of an ongoing investigation.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Shits like a duck, it’s prolly a duck.
Well, that’s kind of the problem. As much as I want to believe it, it just doesn’t really fit. The things written to the casings… well I’m sorry, the only people I know writing “OwO what’s this” or “catch this fascist” are very left-wing.
Sure, it may be possible that they also ironically made fun of such things, but it’s definitely not the intuitive thought
So the only thing that actually would lead to that is his “internet activity” and yeah, that’s what the original person asked. What activity is known that really shows he was far-right.
that’s just it. The OwO what’s this is mocking furries, and is a meme groypers pass around alot.
“Catch this fascist <arrows>” is from helldiver’s 2, which is a somewhat-over-the-top display of the american kind of liberation. By which I mean, you bomb the shit out of things. the catch this with the arrows is literally the player calling in an orbital nuclear strike. The game is meant for you to understand that you’re not playing the heroes, but a lot of nazis and fascists still enjoy playing it; like how a large number of them love playing WH40k. The game lets them be openly fascist in a way that’s normally frowned on in society.
his internet activity includes being on certain discords in which groypers hung out, as well as comments on social media.
you can cast inferences all you want, but taken as a whole; it’s shaping up to a picture of him being a follower of nick Fuentes.
The OwO what’s this is mocking furries, and is a meme groypers pass around alot
Yeah, but… furries pass it around even more. Writing that on a shell like that would be super in character for many of my friends.
I don’t say that it’s impossible or that such people wouldn’t also do that in a mocking way. But saying that this is the intuitive thought is just wrong.
So the main answer should be just the activities. Being on certain alt-right Discord servers or something is a unique clear thing only those do. So when asking why he’s considering a groyper, those are the things you should say, since they’re actually… strongly indicating he truly was one and supporting them. Writing this stuff is maybe not a contradiction, but it’s definitely not a proof.
Yeah, their governor is claiming he was romantically involved with a trans woman though. Could just be a roommate, but I imagine that would be hard to figure out beyond saying “hey were you guys romantically involved?”. Sounds as if she had been part of tipping off the police or at least giving them group chat messages or such.
Apparently the only source for that claim was a Fox adjacent person. And they are desperate to frame this in some way about being about innocent people.
I hope you get another comment from someone who knows way more than I have picked up, but from what I can tell he apparently wore a Pepe costume and Nick Fuentes apparently was suggesting Kirk was a fascist. I’m not sure what Nick’s actual politics are other than despicable, but apparently he didn’t like how Kirk was doing fascism so I guess you can think Kirk is a fascist and support Fuentes. People are taking that and the furry aspect of the alleged engravings because apparently Fuentes fans lean into being furries. So overall it seems like a Pepe costume, furry reference, and fascist critiques are being interpreted by some to suggest groyper. Admittedly, I am not thoroughly convinced, but “If you’re reading this you’re gay LMAO” is some generic 4chan trash that I can’t imagine any actual anti fascists would want to be tied to. Stranger things have happened though.
To be specific, he wore an outfit and squatted in the style of a slav squat for Halloween in 2017, which was a popular meme at the time. Yes, there was a pepe slav squat meme. But if you look at the hat he’s wearing, it will match the hats worn by slav squat and not the pepe meme, which I think was actually a hoodie
I’ve been wondering about this too, thought I was just out of the loop but nothing I can find from a reputable source has really made me think he’s a right winger.
Like, maybe we can’t say for sure but to insist he’s actually extremely far right seems like a wild leap.
Ok, I am not saying he wasn’t, but would somebody mind explaining to me exactly why everyone is so ready to declare he is right-wing?
He’s from a morman family, but that doesn’t necisserily mean shit, the most left person I know was raised by mormans.
He also was saying Kirk was too hateful. That does not sound like words from a 4chan incel to me.
And the bullet casings were distinctly antifa, also seems like not a right wing nut to me.
I only ask because I am honestly concerned that the rhetoric around his politics is getting hijacked by people trying to make him a right winger to hide the fact that the left is not afraid to kill.
Edit: Thanks to everyone who took the time to explain what indicates he is a Groyper. And thanks in advance to any more info people share!
This information comes from a misquotation. One example of the story with this information has the full context:
Note that the family member is the one who said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.” But it has been repeatedly misattributed.
Lefty ex Mormons absolutely exist. And I’ve met several here. But I think all of them, if they were being honest. Would absolutely tell you that they are the exception and not the rule.
4chan incells constantly say everyone who disagrees with them are too hateful because they push back against what the incells say.
The memes on the bullets weren’t clearly antifa. As others have pointed out they’re ironic cultural re-appropriations by fuentez’s community. Precisely because it muddies things and implicates those they see as enemies. It’s a common, fascist tactic to distort and dilute the meaning of things.
There’s been nothing meaningful and verified found that implicates him as a leftist. No literature, no behavior.Or any meaningful indicators whatsoever. Just speculation from someone at Fox and “LOL memes“.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s been Some information possibly from the other side, such as the Photoshop of him in a Trump shirt that has been proven fake.
No one is trying to portray it as the left not being able to kill or commit acts of terror. Everyone is simply pushing back on clear, transparent, fascist propaganda to victimize innocent people. Justifying the violence, they’re already committing. Had much of the media sphere and the President of the United States not already tried using this as a justification to continue attacking innocent people. I would agree with the caution on assumption of the kids political leanings. But, civilly pushing back against fascists is no vice.
Supposedly the Fuentes lot had co-opted “Bella Ciao”, a classic and beautiful anti fascist song, for their own memes or whatever.
I listen to a lot of Knowledge Fight, where Fuentes is a recurring idiot, and haven’t heard of this there, but I am not a studious listener.
“Groypers” are what the followers of Nick Fuentes call themselves.
the shit written on the casings were references to memes they pass around in those circles, and there’s other reasons, including his internet activity to say he was a Groyper.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Shits like a duck, it’s prolly a duck.
What’s strange to me is the grandmother says they are all conservative, and the father says he got increasingly more into politics recently but doesn’t distance himself from it by saying their political beliefs differed.
I would have figured he would want to point out their beliefs differed if they were going to apart of an ongoing investigation.
It’s not that strange if you accept that he’s not a leftist.
Well, that’s kind of the problem. As much as I want to believe it, it just doesn’t really fit. The things written to the casings… well I’m sorry, the only people I know writing “OwO what’s this” or “catch this fascist” are very left-wing.
Sure, it may be possible that they also ironically made fun of such things, but it’s definitely not the intuitive thought
So the only thing that actually would lead to that is his “internet activity” and yeah, that’s what the original person asked. What activity is known that really shows he was far-right.
that’s just it. The OwO what’s this is mocking furries, and is a meme groypers pass around alot.
“Catch this fascist <arrows>” is from helldiver’s 2, which is a somewhat-over-the-top display of the american kind of liberation. By which I mean, you bomb the shit out of things. the catch this with the arrows is literally the player calling in an orbital nuclear strike. The game is meant for you to understand that you’re not playing the heroes, but a lot of nazis and fascists still enjoy playing it; like how a large number of them love playing WH40k. The game lets them be openly fascist in a way that’s normally frowned on in society.
his internet activity includes being on certain discords in which groypers hung out, as well as comments on social media.
you can cast inferences all you want, but taken as a whole; it’s shaping up to a picture of him being a follower of nick Fuentes.
Yeah, but… furries pass it around even more. Writing that on a shell like that would be super in character for many of my friends.
I don’t say that it’s impossible or that such people wouldn’t also do that in a mocking way. But saying that this is the intuitive thought is just wrong.
So the main answer should be just the activities. Being on certain alt-right Discord servers or something is a unique clear thing only those do. So when asking why he’s considering a groyper, those are the things you should say, since they’re actually… strongly indicating he truly was one and supporting them. Writing this stuff is maybe not a contradiction, but it’s definitely not a proof.
You can’t take it in isolation, though. And that was the point I was making, that you ignored.
If you want to take anyone’s life out of context like that, you can probably make Trump a leftist. You just have to ignore all the RWN bullshit.
Yeah, their governor is claiming he was romantically involved with a trans woman though. Could just be a roommate, but I imagine that would be hard to figure out beyond saying “hey were you guys romantically involved?”. Sounds as if she had been part of tipping off the police or at least giving them group chat messages or such.
Apparently the only source for that claim was a Fox adjacent person. And they are desperate to frame this in some way about being about innocent people.
As far as I’ve heard, the person was literally just his landlord, and was not trans, but just wore an animal onesie lol.
Say whatttt lol.
Didn’t Fuentes deny it though? Not that I’d put it past him to lie, but I don’t think there’s any hard evidence that Robinson was…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Charlie_Kirk#Evidence_and_leads
being able to deny involvement is sorta the point of stochastic terror
First I head about it. Though, would Fuentes really know? Not like he actually knows who most of his groupies are.
I hope you get another comment from someone who knows way more than I have picked up, but from what I can tell he apparently wore a Pepe costume and Nick Fuentes apparently was suggesting Kirk was a fascist. I’m not sure what Nick’s actual politics are other than despicable, but apparently he didn’t like how Kirk was doing fascism so I guess you can think Kirk is a fascist and support Fuentes. People are taking that and the furry aspect of the alleged engravings because apparently Fuentes fans lean into being furries. So overall it seems like a Pepe costume, furry reference, and fascist critiques are being interpreted by some to suggest groyper. Admittedly, I am not thoroughly convinced, but “If you’re reading this you’re gay LMAO” is some generic 4chan trash that I can’t imagine any actual anti fascists would want to be tied to. Stranger things have happened though.
To be specific, he wore an outfit and squatted in the style of a slav squat for Halloween in 2017, which was a popular meme at the time. Yes, there was a pepe slav squat meme. But if you look at the hat he’s wearing, it will match the hats worn by slav squat and not the pepe meme, which I think was actually a hoodie
I’ve been wondering about this too, thought I was just out of the loop but nothing I can find from a reputable source has really made me think he’s a right winger.
Like, maybe we can’t say for sure but to insist he’s actually extremely far right seems like a wild leap.
Yeah makes me feel this place isn’t much better than tankies. I’d like to have better proofs instead of jumping to conclusions just like that.