• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    Well, it was all worth it because something something “status quo” and we’d have a genocide in Gaza, or something.

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      10 hours ago

      The Gazan War was so cynically manipulated to votes against Harris that it makes you think if that was all planned too.

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        I mean… It kinda was. Netanyahu deliberately stalled peace talks because he wanted Trump in power and he knew that killing Palestinians only hurt Kamala politically, it never hurt Trump because his voters don’t give a shit.

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        this is not a war, it’s been America helping the colonial occupation empty its largest concentration camp

        they could have just stopped sending unlimited bombs to that genocidal occupation, but they chose to anyways in spite of all evidence that it was going to cost them the election.

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          they could have just stopped sending unlimited bombs to that genocidal occupation, but they chose to anyways in spite of all evidence that it was going to cost them the election.

          They preferred losing the election to telling netanyahu no.

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      I will always understand having grievances for the democratic party because all they do is defend the status quo - I do too - but not voting over that is just fucking stupid. You want to change that? Go to protests, vote in primaries, support local initiatives for ranked choice voting, donate to causes you find actually beneficial, support local politicians that dont just support the status quo, support movements you believe in. If its about Gaza, speak up about that, donate to humanitarian funds, etc. There are ao many things you can do that can impact these things. But refusing to vote does actually fucking nothing for that cause.

      There is no world in which more people refusing to vote for Kamala would have gotten us a better president or stopped genocide in gaza. Or really had any impact in any way that wasn’t making trump more likely to win. IMO the folks that did that were doing it more for themselves so they could feel morally superior because they didnt vote for the candidate that supported genocide or the “status quo” even though it literally never would have had any impact on either of those things.

      (And let’s be real - trump is way worse for Gaza than Kamala would have been. I’m sure she wouldn’t have done enough, just like Biden, but at least there are voices in that party calling out Israel. Those voices fall far more deaf on this administration’s ears)

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        One sentence of shit I don’t mean, but three paragraphs of shit I do mean.

        And don’t bring up primaries. It’s just gloating since you know the party doesn’t run honest primaries when it pretends to have them at all.

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        12 hours ago

        Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating, if you ask me. I don’t know how many genuinely feel this way when it’s online - many could just be paid Russian stooges or bots, for all I know.

        But I do know a few IRL and when it comes up, it’s hard to keep my cool. It’d be one thing if they didn’t act so goddamned morally superior about it all. I’ve noticed that all of the ones I know of IRL are not in at-risk groups, other than a few cases being women and some being not active xtians (but raised xtian), if that counts. But all of them are white, all of them are at least middle class, none are gay/trans…probably most have the means to get the fuck out of this country if they really had to, etc.

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          It’d be one thing if they didn’t act so goddamned morally superior about it all.

          People who oppose genocide are morally superior to those who support it. I can imagine that people who want to support genocide while still wanting to pretend they’re good people would like that to not be the case.