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    Well if you start treating them like terrorists, some might choose that path. It is a very possible self-fulfilling prophecy. Especially when you threaten their lives like that.

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      That’s most likely the intention behind this. The right would be elated about news of actual trans terrorists.

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    less than 1 percent of shootings where four or more people were wounded in public were by trans people, and that over 97 percent of the mass killings were committed by cisgender men

    That’s a useless statistic on its own.

    Roughly 1% of the population is trans so they are neither more likely nor less likely. Just like ordinary people (despite being vilified). In fact, if you leave geriatrics out of the calculation, trans folk are less likely to commit these killings.

    So the author’s insinuation is correct despite their logic being wrong, however they are not going to convince pearl-clutching conservatives with that article as it stands.

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    Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?

    Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that’s actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?

    Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.

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      Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.

      Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?

      I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.

      I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.

      I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.

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      Why is this stupidity still being repeated? God, I’m so tired of refuting it. I’m just gonna start calling you stupid and move on.

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      Literally all of those people are russian/chinese agitators and you got agitated.

      Lesson: make an effort to not get agitated. Learn to meditate or something. You can still have convictions and even get angry, but get angry when needed, not when somebody deliberately makes you angry.

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      I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it’s not zero, but I have seen some variation of the “are you happy now?” comment hundreds of times, and I’ve never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they’re everywhere and they’re too embarrassed to admit it.

      Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.

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        My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.

        Guilty conscious maybe?

        Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?

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      No shit.

      Hey assholes - this is what the “worse of two evils” looks like! Remember it for the next time, if you get a chance again.

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      Well, it was all worth it because something something “status quo” and we’d have a genocide in Gaza, or something.

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        The Gazan War was so cynically manipulated to votes against Harris that it makes you think if that was all planned too.

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          this is not a war, it’s been America helping the colonial occupation empty its largest concentration camp

          they could have just stopped sending unlimited bombs to that genocidal occupation, but they chose to anyways in spite of all evidence that it was going to cost them the election.

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        I will always understand having grievances for the democratic party because all they do is defend the status quo - I do too - but not voting over that is just fucking stupid. You want to change that? Go to protests, vote in primaries, support local initiatives for ranked choice voting, donate to causes you find actually beneficial, support local politicians that dont just support the status quo, support movements you believe in. If its about Gaza, speak up about that, donate to humanitarian funds, etc. There are ao many things you can do that can impact these things. But refusing to vote does actually fucking nothing for that cause.

        There is no world in which more people refusing to vote for Kamala would have gotten us a better president or stopped genocide in gaza. Or really had any impact in any way that wasn’t making trump more likely to win. IMO the folks that did that were doing it more for themselves so they could feel morally superior because they didnt vote for the candidate that supported genocide or the “status quo” even though it literally never would have had any impact on either of those things.

        (And let’s be real - trump is way worse for Gaza than Kamala would have been. I’m sure she wouldn’t have done enough, just like Biden, but at least there are voices in that party calling out Israel. Those voices fall far more deaf on this administration’s ears)

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          Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating, if you ask me. I don’t know how many genuinely feel this way when it’s online - many could just be paid Russian stooges or bots, for all I know.

          But I do know a few IRL and when it comes up, it’s hard to keep my cool. It’d be one thing if they didn’t act so goddamned morally superior about it all. I’ve noticed that all of the ones I know of IRL are not in at-risk groups, other than a few cases being women and some being not active xtians (but raised xtian), if that counts. But all of them are white, all of them are at least middle class, none are gay/trans…probably most have the means to get the fuck out of this country if they really had to, etc.

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        Virtue Signalling leftists when boycotting voting for Hillary didn’t turn the Dems left so why the fuck would boycotting Kamala do it?

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          Every year the DNC says “we got less votes this year! Must be the centrists voting for republicans, we gotta be more moderate!” and then somehow those folks turn around and say “the democrats are too moderate, if enough of us don’t vote, the DNC will see they are losing support and realize they need to come back left!”

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          Hillary explicitly told the left that she didn’t need their votes… I guess, in hindsight, she was wrong.

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            Irrelevant to what I said. Reread it.

            As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.

            The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn’t move the party left. We didn’t get Bernie, we got Biden.

            Why? Because a fascist presidency didn’t make people think “hey, we need a real progressive for real change”, it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the “safest” vote, which was Biden.

            History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).

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              you’re not a leftist if you’re actively choosing to advocate and vote for the Liberal presidential candidate. -That makes you a liberal, again, not a leftist.

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                Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.

                Fake leftist virtue signalling pansies who’s support for such groups is entirely hollow and self serving on an almost narcissistic level instead boycotted voting for Kamala and quire literally bent over and gaped wide to allow fascists to win the election.

                The only fake leftists here are you.

                It is your legacy that you spoke for no one when it mattered most. Not ours.

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      I’m trans and I didn’t vote for Kamala. Blue state, not like it even mattered. I have zero regrets about it on my part either. Since then all the liberals seem to be busy meeting the moment with capitulation and self-censorship, it’s clear they were never allies. I don’t care if I end up in a concentration camp, fuck this rancid ass country.

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        I’m trans and I very much care about not ending up in a concentration camp, please. (And yes I voted for Harris, but for the love of God can we take over the primaries next time, so the neoliberals are the ones holding their nose and voting?)

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          it would be nice if they actually decide to have primaries next time, I’m not holding out hope that elections are going to save us

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        Since then all the liberals seem to be busy meeting the moment with capitulation and self-censorship, it’s clear they were never allies.

        It was never about being allies with the liberals. It was ALWAYS about choosing the best VIABLE choice for the working class, for minorities, for women, for our planet.

        And y’all dropped the fucking ball.

        Even in a garunteed blue state, action I spires action. Discourse even to just a handful, has an echoing effect to someone who can male a difference. But you lot lack any strategic vision or foresight.

        I don’t care if I end up in a concentration camp, fuck this rancid ass country.

        Spoken like someone who hasn’t experienced real danger and doesn’t even comprehend the real danger their in.

        If it means anything, I don’t give a fuck what happens to you specifically either. I give a fuck about the millions of innocent people who are now damned to death and suffering. And all of it could’ve been avoided if more leftists were actual fucking adults and observed the reality before them last November.

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          Even in a garunteed blue state, action I spires action. Discourse even to just a handful, has an echoing effect to someone who can male a difference.

          It was the democrats participating in a genocide for over a year in advance of the election that had the ‘echoing effect’ of making people not want to vote for their disgusting asses. Just being realistic, a trans anarchist in a blue state not voting for bomber harris has literally zero impact on how anyone else voted.

          But you lot lack any strategic vision or foresight.

          You’re the one acting like scolding people over votes while the gestapo is roaming the streets is accomplishing anything i-cant

          It was never about being allies with the liberals.

          They’re not credible opposition.

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            It was the democrats participating in a genocide for over a year in advance of the election that had the ‘echoing effect’ of making people not want to vote for their disgusting asses.

            The Dems were also the only party that hosted any politicians in power who opposed the genocide.

            Does the GOP have any that oppose the genocide (outside of the JQ like with MTG)? No.

            Was Biden and Kamala gearing to mass deport and arrest anti-genocide activists and demonstrators? No.

            Did Biden and Kamala give Netanyahu the greenlight to fully annex Palestine, and expand the war to include all of their neighbors, Iran and Yemen? No.

            You have to be TRULY delusional to think the genocide is about the same now as it was under Biden.

            You people couldn’t, for even a moment imagine it getting worse, even as the entire GOP was painting the picture for you in front of your face. Now its worse, exactly as everyone with a functional brain could for see.

            Your lack of strategic vision and foresight, and let’s be real your completely hollow virtue signalling for faux support, is your problem that you’ve made other peoples’ problems.

            Just being realistic, a trans anarchist in a blue state not voting for bomber harris has literally zero impact on how anyone else voted.

            Just being a realist, action inspires action. Complete apathy towards the issue “because I live in a blue state” objectively had an echoing effect onto swing states with other potential blue voters. You aren’t escaping culpability with your cope.

            You’re the one acting like scolding people over votes while the gestapo is roaming the streets is accomplishing anything

            You’re the ones who refused to act when it mattered most and was most easy to do so.

            I’m scolding you because you people enabled this shit to happen to begin with to feed your egos.

            No one who opposes fascism should ever turn to you, or anyone else who participated in the virtue signal boycott, for alliance against fascism. You are untrustworthy and unreliable.

            But hey, cope to protect your ego harder 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Again, I’m sure the feeling you got from virtue signalling is worth the end of any semblance of safety for you and everyone you love.

            They’re not credible opposition.

            1. Not you totally missing the point

            2. Y’all ain’t credible allies, antifascists, or even anarchists for that matter

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        yeah but your point of view doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit within their narrow, convenient narrative.

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      It’s time to get over it and look to the future. She lost. Talking shit isn’t helping anybody but you.

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          I’m not a political party, or in charge of anything.

          Maybe you should direct your anger somewhere useful, like at those who were in power, or those who are seeking it.

          Or not, you do you buddy.

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    Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing? Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?

    This shit needs to be shut down before it starts.

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      Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing?

      There’s a dial under the hat of every ICE agent. They’ll just turn it from “Latino” to “Trans”.

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      Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?

      Americans already are. This is happening right now, lots of people were legal green card holders and in many cases citizens.

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      Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing?

      These are Nazis. Yes.

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      ICE has already arrested citizens who have committed zero crimes. We are past the start.

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      I have never seen one media person ask a blue state representative: “how far would you let things go, specifically, before you would use state law enforcement to directly resist federal agents to protect your own citizens? How bad would things have to get before you were willing to start shooting people?”

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      They just going start arresting trans people for existing?

      Well… Yeah. Remember how Trump wanted to be able to revoke citizenship?

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    I can’t really even detransition. I’ve lived my entire adult life as a man.

    I’m so terrified. What does this look like? Jail, inpatient institutionalization? Will they take away my testosterone?

    My brain is on fire. I don’t know where to reach out for help.

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      Hey, just jumping in here because this does sound familiar. My nana was a Jew in Poland, born in 1923. She saw the writing on the wall and left for Ukraine and the next 5 years on a farm over there. She came back afterwards and found nothing left for her, and that’s how I’m now Australian - she went to Israel after the war, didn’t much like it and kept moving

      Anyway, my point is get out while you still can. My nana was youngest of 7, and she lost 4 siblings. Don’t know what’s going to happen to you there. You can either stay and fight (one of her brothers was a officer in the red army) or just not deal with the bullshit and move on somewhere that you’ll be more accepted.

      I’m sorry this is so crap but it feels familiar and I’m worried for you.

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      Are you in an organization or a group that advocates violence against the government or your fellow Americans? If not, then probably nothing will change for you. If yes, leave that group. I’m supposing you’re already living in a blue state.

      That site is trying to agitate you. Perhaps stay off of it. Just to be clear, I’m not saying they’re incorrect, just saying that it’s not improving your mental state.

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      prepare for surveillance of any social groups you belong to, harassment at security checkpoints, detainment if you say anything they can take out of context as evidence of some crime or threat, and random acts of violence. have armed security at any event where large numbers of trans people attend. improve your opsec - switch to Signal, get an iPhone or GrapheneOS, migrate from Discord/Google/Instagram. start carrying a taser and take self-defense classes. put together a bug-out bag. stock up on HRT if you can. don’t break any laws, no matter how minor. if you are arrested or detained: comply with orders (under protest), don’t tell them your phone PIN, say nothing except “I exercise my right to remain silent and I want an attorney.”

      it remains to be seen how bad this gets. if they start rounding people up in masse, we’ll all need to flee and request asylum.

      good luck.

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        get an iPhone

        Fuck that noise, Apple is already firmly in the pocket of the orange fascist. They are no longer safe and are now a threat to privacy and safety. I would bet my entire existence they are already handing over data on anyone not straight white Christofascist.

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          iPhones are highly regarded for security precisely because you don’t have to trust that Apple won’t hand over your data - it’s encrypted, if you set it up that way. enable Lockdown Mode, don’t use any services that aren’t E2EE. they can still try to GrayKey your phone, but it’s not Apple’s doing - GrayKey uses exploit chains which Apple legitimately does well to mitigate.

          GrapheneOS is better for security than iPhones, but less noob-friendly. there are guides, though.

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              I’d trust an iPhone more than a random Samsung full of carrier bloatware, but I trust my Pixel running GrapheneOS more than either.

              I have the USB-C port disabled for anything but charging, a duress pin, and reboots after 8 hours without a login. I’m honestly not sure if GrayKey could unlock it. I have memory tagging and a bunch of other hardening enabled, running only open-source apps I’ve verified the signatures of, running with minimal permissions. It would be hard to hack.

              Yes, of course the NSA could almost certainly break it, but it would probably cost them time, money and vulns. If everyone uses GOS it will make their job very, very annoying :)

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              nope, neither of your sources says they can decrypt your content. in particular, from your first:

              Data transmitted to Google and Apple includes metadata “detailing which app received a notification and when, as well as the phone and associated Apple or Google account to which that notification was intended to be delivered,” Wyden wrote. Sometimes data shared may include “unencrypted content, which could range from backend directives for the app to the actual text displayed to a user in an app notification,” Wyden warned.

              as for your second, that’s for unencrypted iCloud backups. you have to turn Advanced Data Protection on: https://www.macworld.com/article/2606947/icloud-encryption-how-secure-is-your-data.html

              note that iCloud Calendar, Contacts and Mail can’t be e2e encrypted, for fundamental reasons (notifications, discovery, SMTP.) but you don’t have to use those.

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                They have root access on your phone and it doesn’t function without constantly connecting to apple severs for every little thing. If Apple wants access to your data, they’re gonna get access.

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                I know you mean the best, but an iPhone isn’t any better privacy-wise than an Android is. Regardless of their public stance, these giant monoliths have proven time and time again there’s no respect for an individual’s privacy. If they get caught lying/breaking the law, the fine is merely the cost of doing business.

                It would be better to focus on universal ways someone could keep themselves safe. Drop WhatsApp/SMS for Signal, drop Chromium based browsers, use uBlock, a VPN, etc. Arguing over phones is just infighting and not worth the energy.

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                  I disagree on dropping Chromium-based browsers. drop Chrome/Edge/etc. certainly, but Firefox is kept alive by a skeleton crew at this point, and almost certainly has more vulnerabilities than Chromium browsers. the sandboxing and process isolation, the defense in depth, it just isn’t there.

                  I use Vanadium, which has all telemetry disabled, JIT off by default, and blocks ads.

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                I will never understand why anyone trusts a corporation who has proven time and again to spy on their own users and report back to the government, even before Trump was on the scene. I guess Cypher was right, ignorance is bliss.

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                  I don’t trust corporations. I trust math, and code, and systems design. I trust AES-256, even though the NSA picked it, because 20 years of cryptography research has revealed nothing close to a break. I trust SELinux, even though NSA invented it, because hundreds of kernel devs from around the world have audited it and touch that code regularly. I trust even proprietary systems which have been extensively independently audited and reverse engineered by security researchers, though I do trust them less.

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        Sooner or later they will decide only straight white cis people are allowed to own guns.

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          from social media posts it seems like maga vigilantes are already doxxing people they perceive as lgbt or even just slightly left of themselves that show up at any of their gun related establishments

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    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

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        Depends on what you count as “first”. The communist groups (that likely had trans people in them) were the first placed into concentration camps.

        You’re likely referring to the first Nazi book burning which included sexual health literature on trans healthcare.

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        “First they came for the trans people, but I didn’t speak out because nobody ever even fucking told me they did this until like last year like wtf…”

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        they went after a Jewish sexologist who studied and advocated for trans people, so the Nazis really killed two birds with one stone. :|

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          It really was a twofer to paint both with the brush of sexual immorality. Weimar Germany was the center of a sexual reform movement that promoted birth control for women, equal rights for both sexes, acceptance of sexual minorities, legalization and regulation of sex work and more. It was really ahead of its time.

          Then the Nazis came along and found common ground with the conservative religious groups to demonize and then victimize everyone involved.

          It’s just… I know history doesn’t repeat itself, but goddamn does it rhyme.

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          So are you saying that I shouldn’t know history, or that I shouldn’t tell the truth, or are you saying I shouldn’t learn about history?

          Just curious what your point was?