I’ve watched documentaries and studied the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, I don’t think Trump will get that powerful. Germany was in bad shape post WW2, and Hitler was quite young, energetic and commanding with a clear vision for his future. Trump is old, tired, and has broken too many promises to his base.
As long as the press mostly stays free, and journalists don’t face punitive measures for their reporting, Trump will come and go.
The problem is that Trump is speed running the country into shithole status (economically, I know we were already there on the healthcare, housing and wealth inequality fronts).
And the smart assholes with ambition are running the show, Miller, Vance and Johnson.
I remember reading about a japanese bus strike where the bus drivers kept doing their job, but stopped collecting the money.
There are also examples from around the world where healthcare workers go to quite serious lengths to ensure delivery of service is maintained while a nurses/doctora strike is taken.
So a general strike could be an option, but isn’t necessary to send a message. In fact more targetted strikes that leave dialogue and service on the table shows the protestors acting in good faith, potentially opening different avenues to bridge the divide between childish-oligarchic-cunts (management/upper class), and the workers.
All i’m saying is theres more options than blowing up the system, and staged, measured, predictable responses to the others actions can be extrememely effective in showing the often ridiculous demands of the other side’s position.
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It’s what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs …
… if they wait to see what else happens, they’ll probably lose their jobs anyway
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t … if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
I don’t see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don’t really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they’re the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
I don’t like having to share my phone number, which is why I haven’t signed up. Or that every social is the typical - discord, bluesky, youtube, instagram.
I’m all for the idea, but they give me big privacy worries.
Same. I looked at it but as soon as it wanted all that contact info I dipped. I already get “omg! send us money to craft these strongly worded letters in opposition!” texts. I don’t want more of them nor a centralized location someone can use to find those who support the idea of a general strike.
If it happens, people will talk about it and it’ll pick up steam like domino’s falling!
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It’s not perfect but it’s far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
The only way some sort of plan like that works is if we dont change leaders every 4 years. Its going to flip flop back and forth over and over. Unfortunately its far easier and quicker to tear things down than to build them, and so we slide farther down.
There needs to be rules and standards for politicians to be able to participate in politics.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
We have no way of carrying out a general strike right now. GSUSA is a pretty good group trying to build capacity, and UAW President Shawn Fain is pushing for unions to renegotiate their contracts so that they all end on May 1st 2028, obvs including UAW.
General Strikes are illegal in the USA, a union can’t call a legal solidarity strike, thanks to Taft-Hartley. I’m not a legalism guy, I think legalism is an illusion the workers need to overcome. But the fact is, we haven’t overcome it. Even a lot of pretty militant leftist groups in the US have a “new constitutional convention” fetish, it’s even in the old DSA program.
There is no infrastructure for it. A few dozen Americans on Lemmy not showing up for work isn’t gonna do shit. The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
There is so much work to do and frankly its frustrating when people are like “just do impossible thing”. Stand up and help us we need help so badly. I think a lot of people in USamerica who say this kind of shit have absolutely no fucking clue what they’re talking about. No one wants to give up a fraction of their quality of life to have a political discussion about real shit. People just want someone else to come along and save them, and then even if someone does come along, complain if we don’t have our butt kissed just the way we like it. The only thing we know how to do is speak to a manager. We are a nation of Karens. We are not ready.
The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
He will never leave office willingly. He tried to overthrow the government last time he lost and this time he’s a LOT better entrenched. You can’t vote out a dictator. If you don’t act and put your hopes in an election that won’t help you, you’ve already lost your democracy. And honestly, you’ll deserve it.
Dude I’m right there with you in thinking that we’re just not capable of a general strike. We don’t know our neighbors, don’t hang out with strangers, and really have no community outside intimate relations. Shit seems like tons of people can’t stand their friends and family either!
It’s def the building infrastructure kind of advice and shit I wish people were doing and taking about more. How to we build that infrastructure and how do we connect with the people that are trying to build communities
I want to help correct what’s happened here but I also don’t want to fucking die or starve or become unhoused
For a lot of people, staying alive, keeping hope, is what you are doing. Just educating ourselves in a way that helps us see the world and the people in it more clearly, to recognize the connections between us and society, is itself a revolutionary act.
I had the privilege of being elected by my city’s DSA chapter to attend the national convention this year. And believe me, we are building that infrastructure. The sense of connectedness and shared mission along with about 1200 socialist organizers, not just online weirdos but actual wonderful, committed, very busy and diverse people, it has been an incredible feeling each time I was sent.
But there is a cost. I’ve been doxxed, I have my own KeyWiki page. I’m in several databases, I’ve written articles in my own name. But at a certain point I just started to see people as having a target on their back because of nothing they did, it came down to the color of their skin, their gender, who they love, what they believe or where they came from. As an middle age dude I just figured if they have a target on their back then I should do something to put one on mine too.
I’m not a fraction of the man’s measure, but Eugene Debbs, who got a million votes for president from prison in 1920, said at his trial for sedition in 1918, “As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”
When you’re ready and able to join the movement, I’ll have saved a place for you in it.
I’ve been to several of the protests organized by those groups and I don’t think they are controller opposition but they seem to operate like psychological pressure release valves. We all feel like we’re doing something that will change things but until that mass of people shows up and then refuses to leave rather than dispersing after it actually won’t make a difference
So Americans, you ready to put a stop to this yet?
General strike now. Shut it down. Organize, disrupt, disobey.
Unemployed people be like:
Don’t worry, there will surely be people left to speak up for us when they come for us.
Sure, I’ll just go ahead and lose my job now and deprive my family of food and shelter before the Nazis get a chance to do so.
I’m all for calling out Nazi bullshit, but blanket statements like this help absolutely nobody.
Chickenshit response
You really think business are going to mass fire people if we have a general strike? Do you even know what that is?
I’ve watched documentaries and studied the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, I don’t think Trump will get that powerful. Germany was in bad shape post WW2, and Hitler was quite young, energetic and commanding with a clear vision for his future. Trump is old, tired, and has broken too many promises to his base.
As long as the press mostly stays free, and journalists don’t face punitive measures for their reporting, Trump will come and go.
The problem is that Trump is speed running the country into shithole status (economically, I know we were already there on the healthcare, housing and wealth inequality fronts).
And the smart assholes with ambition are running the show, Miller, Vance and Johnson.
Um… I work in elder care. If my team strikes 80+ will die.
“But how do we change things without any risk or sacrifice?”
Fantastic.
If you’re OK with elderly people starving to death and dying from infected wounds to make a point, you can fuck right off.
I remember reading about a japanese bus strike where the bus drivers kept doing their job, but stopped collecting the money.
There are also examples from around the world where healthcare workers go to quite serious lengths to ensure delivery of service is maintained while a nurses/doctora strike is taken.
So a general strike could be an option, but isn’t necessary to send a message. In fact more targetted strikes that leave dialogue and service on the table shows the protestors acting in good faith, potentially opening different avenues to bridge the divide between childish-oligarchic-cunts (management/upper class), and the workers.
All i’m saying is theres more options than blowing up the system, and staged, measured, predictable responses to the others actions can be extrememely effective in showing the often ridiculous demands of the other side’s position.
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It’s what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs …
… if they wait to see what else happens, they’ll probably lose their jobs anyway
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t … if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
Happy medium: educate and organize, in preparation for the moment.
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Not gonna happen. Half of the country isn’t aware anything is wrong.
Hell, a good chunk of them are sold on it. Get a perspective outside of a city, or take, I dunno, North Carolina as an example.
The fuck has happened in NC since January? Nothing, and that’s their experience. Same-same, yada-yada. Riot? Why?
There’s a small amount of resistance in rural Tennessee but the general population is hypnotized by fox news.
Speaking of, I am a little familiar with this group https://generalstrikeus.com/
I don’t see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don’t really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they’re the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
I don’t like having to share my phone number, which is why I haven’t signed up. Or that every social is the typical - discord, bluesky, youtube, instagram.
I’m all for the idea, but they give me big privacy worries.
Same. I looked at it but as soon as it wanted all that contact info I dipped. I already get “omg! send us money to craft these strongly worded letters in opposition!” texts. I don’t want more of them nor a centralized location someone can use to find those who support the idea of a general strike.
If it happens, people will talk about it and it’ll pick up steam like domino’s falling!
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It’s not perfect but it’s far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
They never said 50 states. Plenty are too small to handle themselves. Most of the southeast could all be one state as well just based on culture.
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
The only way some sort of plan like that works is if we dont change leaders every 4 years. Its going to flip flop back and forth over and over. Unfortunately its far easier and quicker to tear things down than to build them, and so we slide farther down.
There needs to be rules and standards for politicians to be able to participate in politics.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
We have no way of carrying out a general strike right now. GSUSA is a pretty good group trying to build capacity, and UAW President Shawn Fain is pushing for unions to renegotiate their contracts so that they all end on May 1st 2028, obvs including UAW.
General Strikes are illegal in the USA, a union can’t call a legal solidarity strike, thanks to Taft-Hartley. I’m not a legalism guy, I think legalism is an illusion the workers need to overcome. But the fact is, we haven’t overcome it. Even a lot of pretty militant leftist groups in the US have a “new constitutional convention” fetish, it’s even in the old DSA program.
There is no infrastructure for it. A few dozen Americans on Lemmy not showing up for work isn’t gonna do shit. The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
There is so much work to do and frankly its frustrating when people are like “just do impossible thing”. Stand up and help us we need help so badly. I think a lot of people in USamerica who say this kind of shit have absolutely no fucking clue what they’re talking about. No one wants to give up a fraction of their quality of life to have a political discussion about real shit. People just want someone else to come along and save them, and then even if someone does come along, complain if we don’t have our butt kissed just the way we like it. The only thing we know how to do is speak to a manager. We are a nation of Karens. We are not ready.
He will never leave office willingly. He tried to overthrow the government last time he lost and this time he’s a LOT better entrenched. You can’t vote out a dictator. If you don’t act and put your hopes in an election that won’t help you, you’ve already lost your democracy. And honestly, you’ll deserve it.
Hes going to die by then, hes not doing well.
I’m right there with you. Even if it is lost for a little while, these things have a way of coming back around stronger than before.
But I agree 1000%, we need decisive collective action to meet this moment.
Dude I’m right there with you in thinking that we’re just not capable of a general strike. We don’t know our neighbors, don’t hang out with strangers, and really have no community outside intimate relations. Shit seems like tons of people can’t stand their friends and family either!
It’s def the building infrastructure kind of advice and shit I wish people were doing and taking about more. How to we build that infrastructure and how do we connect with the people that are trying to build communities
I want to help correct what’s happened here but I also don’t want to fucking die or starve or become unhoused
For a lot of people, staying alive, keeping hope, is what you are doing. Just educating ourselves in a way that helps us see the world and the people in it more clearly, to recognize the connections between us and society, is itself a revolutionary act.
I had the privilege of being elected by my city’s DSA chapter to attend the national convention this year. And believe me, we are building that infrastructure. The sense of connectedness and shared mission along with about 1200 socialist organizers, not just online weirdos but actual wonderful, committed, very busy and diverse people, it has been an incredible feeling each time I was sent.
But there is a cost. I’ve been doxxed, I have my own KeyWiki page. I’m in several databases, I’ve written articles in my own name. But at a certain point I just started to see people as having a target on their back because of nothing they did, it came down to the color of their skin, their gender, who they love, what they believe or where they came from. As an middle age dude I just figured if they have a target on their back then I should do something to put one on mine too.
I’m not a fraction of the man’s measure, but Eugene Debbs, who got a million votes for president from prison in 1920, said at his trial for sedition in 1918, “As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”
When you’re ready and able to join the movement, I’ll have saved a place for you in it.
Who’s fucking idea was it to wait until the 18the of October to do No Kings 2?
I’ve been to several of the protests organized by those groups and I don’t think they are controller opposition but they seem to operate like psychological pressure release valves. We all feel like we’re doing something that will change things but until that mass of people shows up and then refuses to leave rather than dispersing after it actually won’t make a difference
Yes, who’s organizing it and when?
https://generalstrikeus.com/
This has been there for more than six months. They aren’t going to do anything but wave more signs in a couple of weeks. Should work this time.
They wont. Most are still cheering this on.
I guess this is why the orange turd said this would be a pre-crime… Whatever the fuck that means
too busy reporting on it and saying we need to do something