cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/28482551

I’m looking into installing a door lock w/ key pad at home for two use cases:

  1. I’m out of town and need to allow someone to enter my home, in an emergency or for any reason.
  2. Nice to have - “oh shit, did I lock the door” - ability to lock the door remotely from my phone, would also solve use case #1 by unlocking remotely.

If there are no privacy respecting / self hosted apps for remote control (use case #2), then a “dumb” electronic lock w/ key pad that enables me to set a PIN that I can give to a friend or neighbor in a pinch and then reset the PIN after I get home, that would be good enough. If no such keypad/electronic locks exist, then my backup plan is to just make a few copies of my key for trusted friends & family and/or hide a key, but I’d like to explore the keypad route.

  • early_riser@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    2 days ago

    Just installed the Kwikset HomeConnect 620 deadbolt last weekend. It’s a Z-Wave lock, which as others have said makes it independent of someone else’s computer the Cloud. It has a keypad using tactile buttons which makes quick no-eyes operation easier. It also has a regular key that can be used in the event the smart features fail. It works with Home Assistant meaning you can operate it remotely if you open the right ports on your router or buy a HA cloud subscription.

    The only gotcha is that creating and revoking PIN codes via HA/Z-Wave JS isn’t straightforward. You have to go into the developer tools and search for the correct action.

  • besmtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
    61·
    7 days ago

    I’ve had 3 Yale deadbolts with Z-wave since 2016 or so and I love them. They use 4 AAs and I don’t mind putting in rechargeables a couple times a year. They have an external way to charge them with a 9v battery in an emergency. No physical key so they can’t be picked that way. At times in the past I’ve had problems with Z-wave delays or then losing connection to the controller, but over the last year of using Z-waveJS UI in an LXC they’ve been solid. Codes can be set up in HA/Z-waveJS UI or on the keypad itself.

    • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      I sorta wish the way locks had developed had been the other way around were the standard was the lock in the wall and the hole in the door. Then we would wire them up at this point.

      • besmtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        7 days ago

        That’s a fantastic idea. You’d probably need the controls to be on the door, but I’m sure that could be done with some pogo pins or wireless charging to the wired unit in the wall.

        • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
          3·
          7 days ago

          I was thinking like long ago that the key in the wall and a simple static push/pull type handle on the door.

    • rhymepurple@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      7 days ago

      This lock requires a Yale account to register/setup the lock though, correct? In other words, while you can use the lock locally, it first needs to be associated with a Yale account.

      Additionally, if I remember correctly, its Z-Wave module is a 500 series using the Security 0 (S0) standard instead of the more modern 800 series and/or Security 2 (S2) sandard. The 800 series (introduced in 2021) should provide much better reliability and range while the S2 standard (introduced in 2017) should make your connection more secure and less chatty. However, the 800 series does not operate as a mesh network and is still working through the final legislative approvals in Europe.

      Unfortunately, I don’t think there is a one-size-fits-all, perfect solution. I believe the only Z-Wave lock that addresses the two items in my comment is the Philips 4000 Series deadbolt. One issue with that lock is I believe you have less control over the combinations without the Philips app (eg: cannot specify date/time ranges when a code will work, can only add codes while physically at the device, etc.).

      • besmtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        7 days ago

        My Yale locks don’t directly touch the Internet, they’re Z-wave only, so there isn’t even an option to setup an account. It’s just the lock, my Zooz ZST39 controller that is bound to Z-waveJS UI in an LXC, that is then tied into home assistant.

        Z-wave 800 is a mesh network. Z-wave LR is not a mesh network.

        • rhymepurple@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          7 days ago

          Ah, you’re right about 800 mesh and LR.

          I’ve seen multiple reports online about the lock requiring an account though and Yale’s documentation stating that it only supports 500 series. Below are just a few examples of reports indicating that a Yale account is required for setup. Is yours the same model?

          • besmtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            7 days ago

            Your first link is talking about “FAQ: Yale Assure Lock 2 with Wi-Fi”, I’m talking about Z-wave locks, not Wi-Fi.

            On your second link, look for the comments from thelordzer0 “I have like 7 ZW3 modules and none of them required any accounts.”

            I told you that I don’t have an account setup. I never have needed it with my locks/modules. My modules are ZW2s. I’m not interested in debating other locks/modules with you.

            • rhymepurple@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1·
              7 days ago

              Maybe I’m not picking up on the different models correctly, but the first link I sent was about Z-Wave.

              Can I use the Assure Lock 2 with my Z-Wave Hub?

              The Assure Lock 2 supports the following Z-Wave modules:

              • Z-Wave 500 Series (version 1.8.1)
                • Module Part Number: AYR-MOD-ZW2-USA
              • Z-Wave 700 Series (available at a later date)

              I know some people, like yourself and the commenter thelordzer0, have had success using the lock without a Yale account or app. I’m not sure why you’ve been able to but others are reporting differently. I was just commenting to help OP out in case they’re one of the other people who were forced to create an account and/or use the Yale app to initialize their lock.

              • besmtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
                21·
                7 days ago

                Your first link:

                “supports 500 series](https://support.shopyalehome.com/yale-assure-lock-2-with-wi-fi-faq-B1q1o8M5q)”

                It has wi-fi in the URL.

                The title at the top of that page is:

                “FAQ: Yale Assure Lock 2 with Wi-Fi”

                And we know that it comes with a WiFi module because of this question from your same link:

                "Do I need a Yale Connect Wi-Fi Bridge?

                Because it has a Wi-Fi Smart Module, the Assure Lock 2 does not require a Wi-Fi bridge."

                Notice how they put in the “ZW2” module part number in that last question? To get one of their locks to work with Z-wave you have to take out the WiFi module and put in a Z-wave module.

    • Ŝan@piefed.zipEnglish
      35·
      7 days ago

      I’ll second Yale ZWave door systems. Þey’re great, no WiFi needed.