lol do you really think that’s some kind of rebuttal?
Let’s break it down. Essentially:
“We can’t ticket everyone”
“Yes we can”
“But we don’t like to get tickets so we vote against tickets. Therefore you can’t do the reasonable things leaving our solution of speeding as the only option! so check and mate!”
It’s impossible because you want to keep it impossible, so you can say it’s impossible, so your idea of just speeding all the time is the only way.
In my town murder is perfectly fine. Every time someone tries to make a law changing that we just murder them. So murdering people is the only reasonable solution.
Btw you mentioned one of the deer and one of the car crashes. That means you are at least up to 4 on your body shop count. I once again have 0 wrecks.
You talk about shitty drivers but it’s you bro. You speed everywhere and keep getting in wrecks that’s are “totally not your fualt“
If you’re going to eat a hamburger eat the hell out of it
If you want to speed because you want to just say that. “Fuck you’re safety I’m in a hurry”
Don’t try to convince me it’s actually YOU who is the safe driver when you keep getting in wrecks.
Monopolies are a thing and the first few to the market with self driving systems will be ubiquitous. You can’t avoid it. Waymo/Google will license their solution to car manufacturers, who will be stuck with it because it’s going to be very expensive to get their own self driving certified in all their target markets.
Yes, let’s limit everyone to either walking/cycling, public transit, or megacorporation control over their freedom of movement. There’s certainly not a western government currently rounding up dissidents that would just tell their beloved corporations to drive people with certain backgrounds to Alligator Alcatraz.
Yes, but why are we giving them even more control over our lives voluntarily? Especially since we’re talking about something that can literally lock its doors and drive you to somewhere you didn’t want to go.
I’ve never been much of a conspiracy nut, but this is where I agree with them. I don’t want government and corporations to say when and where I can go. Walking is an option for me 90% of the time, and one I take very often, but what if I literally need to fucking escape an invasion? Considering it’s happening right now, 4 countries south of me, and said invader has demonstrated that they love taking down communications networks, what the fuck options am I going to have left if I need to drive 1000 km in a day and my car’s like “No Internet connection, I’m staying put”? If you’re in the US you don’t have THAT risk, but you still have the whole issue of a dictator being able to decide where you’re driving. Public transit is great, but it’s not ready for mass surges of people fleeing and if someone’s after you personally, it creates choke points (stations) where it’s easy to grab you. I’m not saying cars are super hard to track, but when there are a lot of targets, everyone being spread out means it’s harder to get a lot of people at once.
I highly doubt it’ll go smoothly. IMO what will happen is driving standards will rise, driving tests will become extremely tough and need to be repeated every few years, and self driving tech will get cheaper and most people will just summon cars like Waymo rather than bothering to remain liscensed. There will have to be an offramp, not a firm cutoff.
Nope. We’ve already established you guys will never accept any steps to safety without throwing a fit.
It’s “go big or go home”. We’ll push hard and fast because we’ll get the same pushback regardless of how small the change. So change big.
How it’ll actually go is trucking will be taken over by automatic driving because it’s cheaper. The reduction in traffic and increase in safety will be seen and immediately we’ll push for a driving ban. You’ll probably get 3-5 years to retrofit your car or buy a knew one… then that’s it. No more dangerous drivers, no more traffic…
And yes people will probably ditch private car ownership in exchange for self driving free busses and cheap taxis.
Children will be able to walk to school safely finally.
The moment self driving cars are safe enough we are going to ban human drivers entirely
Naw. Too many people like driving, too many emergency situations that require a human. The most that will reasonably happen is people will prefer self-driving and driving test requirements will increase somewhat.
We very rarely ban old things, we mostly just convince people to use new things.
Want to know what I like? Cocaine. Lots of people loved cocaine. They banned it.
People threw a fit when they made drunk driving illegal too. They still made it illegal.
People loved asbestos as well, they banned that.
You can’t even sell milk directly from a cow in most states because of the dangers. Raw milk is banned.
People are fighting tooth in nail to try to re-legalize weed lol and it’s a huge uphill battle.
We ban old things all the time regardless of how well liked they are.
“Too many emergency situations require a human” not really as it would relate to driving… computers have much faster reflexes than a human. They will drive better. So what emergency are you thinking of? Car breaking down? Most people can’t fix thier own car anyway. The only change will be the car calling a tow truck instead of you.
You aren’t on a road and the car is confused about how to move around. You are now stranded because you can’t drive the car. I have yet to see any self-driving car even attempt to be reasonable in off-road driving.
Your buddy’s cabin in the woods, grass parking at a venue, natural disaster and the road is gone, a country driveway, getting into your backyard with the shit your bought at home depot, etc, etc.
You are driving not on the road and our confused about why you are. You are now stranded even though you are driving yourself.
See. The argument of “well the computer could get confused” people get confused all the time.
And again you said “yet” and that’s my whole point. It’s getting there. It’s only a matter of time before the computer can get to your buddies house quicker and better than you. And will probably be able to scan and avoid loose mud and snow so you don’t destroy your buddies lawn when you get stuck.
If I was that buddy of yours it would only be a matter of time before I make you park your personal driving car at the gate and walk up like how people don’t wear shoes in thier house. Don’t destroy my yard with your messy personal driving skills. Let the computer find you a place to park.
“Pull everyone over “
I love how you phrase that like it’s some ridiculous impossibility lol.
Speed cameras. Send them all a ticket.
“Bad road design is a different problem”
Yeah just like crashing is a different problem lol.
“It’s not my fault that orphanage was flammable! I just like playing with fireworks! They should build better orphanages.
Then why haven’t they put speed cameras everywhere?
Because a local government wouldn’t last an election cycle if they did that.
lol do you really think that’s some kind of rebuttal?
Let’s break it down. Essentially:
“We can’t ticket everyone”
“Yes we can”
“But we don’t like to get tickets so we vote against tickets. Therefore you can’t do the reasonable things leaving our solution of speeding as the only option! so check and mate!”
It’s impossible because you want to keep it impossible, so you can say it’s impossible, so your idea of just speeding all the time is the only way.
If you can find an electorate who’d be okay with this you might have a point.
Those cameras would come down in like a month, what few a local government could afford to put up, anyway.
They could do this easily on major highways and yet they haven’t yet, precisely because the local government knows it would be electoral suicide.
A better solution would be pace cars that drive the speed limit with big gates so nobody can go around them. Then people literally can’t speed.
In my town murder is perfectly fine. Every time someone tries to make a law changing that we just murder them. So murdering people is the only reasonable solution.
Btw you mentioned one of the deer and one of the car crashes. That means you are at least up to 4 on your body shop count. I once again have 0 wrecks.
You talk about shitty drivers but it’s you bro. You speed everywhere and keep getting in wrecks that’s are “totally not your fualt“
If you’re going to eat a hamburger eat the hell out of it
If you want to speed because you want to just say that. “Fuck you’re safety I’m in a hurry”
Don’t try to convince me it’s actually YOU who is the safe driver when you keep getting in wrecks.
Btw we aren’t going to waste our time pushing for more speed cameras lol we are going to sit and wait and gather our energy.
The moment self driving cars are safe enough we are going to ban human drivers entirely, because humans suck at driving cars.
That’s the future for you guys. You flat out refuse to drive safely so we just won’t let you drive at all.
Yeeees, another thing Tesla and Google can fully control in our lives! Hurray!
I never said Tesla or google. Only self driving cars. Tesla didn’t invent the concept nor do they own it.
then don’t get involved with self driving cars. Just walk, problem solved.
companies are a thing. It’s who we buy stuff from. You’re going to have to get used to that.
I’ve never been much of a conspiracy nut, but this is where I agree with them. I don’t want government and corporations to say when and where I can go. Walking is an option for me 90% of the time, and one I take very often, but what if I literally need to fucking escape an invasion? Considering it’s happening right now, 4 countries south of me, and said invader has demonstrated that they love taking down communications networks, what the fuck options am I going to have left if I need to drive 1000 km in a day and my car’s like “No Internet connection, I’m staying put”? If you’re in the US you don’t have THAT risk, but you still have the whole issue of a dictator being able to decide where you’re driving. Public transit is great, but it’s not ready for mass surges of people fleeing and if someone’s after you personally, it creates choke points (stations) where it’s easy to grab you. I’m not saying cars are super hard to track, but when there are a lot of targets, everyone being spread out means it’s harder to get a lot of people at once.
I highly doubt it’ll go smoothly. IMO what will happen is driving standards will rise, driving tests will become extremely tough and need to be repeated every few years, and self driving tech will get cheaper and most people will just summon cars like Waymo rather than bothering to remain liscensed. There will have to be an offramp, not a firm cutoff.
Driving isn’t going smoothly now. Nothing ever goes smoothly.
“Driving standards will rise yada yada”
Nope. We’ve already established you guys will never accept any steps to safety without throwing a fit.
It’s “go big or go home”. We’ll push hard and fast because we’ll get the same pushback regardless of how small the change. So change big.
How it’ll actually go is trucking will be taken over by automatic driving because it’s cheaper. The reduction in traffic and increase in safety will be seen and immediately we’ll push for a driving ban. You’ll probably get 3-5 years to retrofit your car or buy a knew one… then that’s it. No more dangerous drivers, no more traffic…
And yes people will probably ditch private car ownership in exchange for self driving free busses and cheap taxis.
Children will be able to walk to school safely finally.
Naw. Too many people like driving, too many emergency situations that require a human. The most that will reasonably happen is people will prefer self-driving and driving test requirements will increase somewhat.
We very rarely ban old things, we mostly just convince people to use new things.
We ban dangerous things people like all the time.
Want to know what I like? Cocaine. Lots of people loved cocaine. They banned it.
People threw a fit when they made drunk driving illegal too. They still made it illegal.
People loved asbestos as well, they banned that.
You can’t even sell milk directly from a cow in most states because of the dangers. Raw milk is banned.
People are fighting tooth in nail to try to re-legalize weed lol and it’s a huge uphill battle.
We ban old things all the time regardless of how well liked they are.
“Too many emergency situations require a human” not really as it would relate to driving… computers have much faster reflexes than a human. They will drive better. So what emergency are you thinking of? Car breaking down? Most people can’t fix thier own car anyway. The only change will be the car calling a tow truck instead of you.
You aren’t on a road and the car is confused about how to move around. You are now stranded because you can’t drive the car. I have yet to see any self-driving car even attempt to be reasonable in off-road driving.
Your buddy’s cabin in the woods, grass parking at a venue, natural disaster and the road is gone, a country driveway, getting into your backyard with the shit your bought at home depot, etc, etc.
“Yet” - you
Let’s explain it this way.
You are driving not on the road and our confused about why you are. You are now stranded even though you are driving yourself.
See. The argument of “well the computer could get confused” people get confused all the time.
And again you said “yet” and that’s my whole point. It’s getting there. It’s only a matter of time before the computer can get to your buddies house quicker and better than you. And will probably be able to scan and avoid loose mud and snow so you don’t destroy your buddies lawn when you get stuck.
If I was that buddy of yours it would only be a matter of time before I make you park your personal driving car at the gate and walk up like how people don’t wear shoes in thier house. Don’t destroy my yard with your messy personal driving skills. Let the computer find you a place to park.