I think something like UBI is basically an inevitability. If government’s try to ignore the problem the entire economic system will collapse, there’ll be a lot of production going on, but there won’t be anyone to buy any of the products. So they will have to introduce UBI.
However it would be nice if they could introduce it before the inevitable civil wars and civil unrest force them to.
I certainly hope you’re right. But let’s not forget that when the industrial revolution eliminated a lot of jobs for a lot of people, those people were allowed to just starve to death in the street. It took a full generation before new jobs were created.
Basically what you’re saying is that this time round the wealth disparity is so much worse and there are so many more people living in or near poverty that the entire global economy couldn’t withstand the poorest being out of work. That feels like a weird thing to say that you hope someone is right about but…I hope you’re right about it.
But, I dunno, we’re talking about the same attitude that saw several large corporations try out a 4-day/32 hour working week, discover that productivity stayed the same or even went up…and then went right back to the 5-day working week. The same attitude that sees people seriously suggesting that people who work from home should work extra hours unpaid because otherwise they’ll be able to have the time they otherwise would have spent commuting for themselves.
Also, of course, there’s the fact that a large number of people live in poverty and already can’t afford basics like 3 meals a day, let alone buying take-out, or a TV, or going on holiday. And Jeff Bezos isn’t campaigning to end child poverty even though doing so would enable people to spend more on Amazon.
I really think the only way that we’ll ever truly get something like UBI is if one of two things happen - governments who are genuienly invested in the welfare of their people introduce it, or there is enough mobilisation to put enough political pressure on governments to force them to introduce it. At least there are places that are trialling it, so it’s not unthinkable, but I don’t think the “there will be nobody to buy goods” argument really holds up, because those that that affects already demonstrably don’t give a shit.
But that’s the thing, that doesn’t matter. Because as soon as anyone comes along with a policy of introducing universal basic income, it doesn’t matter how entrenched the political establishment are, people will vote for that if they are losing their jobs.
Most countries political systems are not as completely dysfunctional as the US system. It is possible for independence’s and new parties to arise provided there is enough support. Not being made homeless through no fault of your own is a pretty big motivator to change your historical political leanings.
The pensioners would never vote for party that would introduce something like this. They HATE the idea of younger generations getting “free money”. Honestly they’re the real problem. But they’re the demographic that vote the most and have a huge sway.
Just don’t point out to them how their triple locked pensions are probably the biggest financial cost to our [UK] country…
I think something like UBI is basically an inevitability. If government’s try to ignore the problem the entire economic system will collapse, there’ll be a lot of production going on, but there won’t be anyone to buy any of the products. So they will have to introduce UBI.
However it would be nice if they could introduce it before the inevitable civil wars and civil unrest force them to.
I certainly hope you’re right. But let’s not forget that when the industrial revolution eliminated a lot of jobs for a lot of people, those people were allowed to just starve to death in the street. It took a full generation before new jobs were created.
Basically what you’re saying is that this time round the wealth disparity is so much worse and there are so many more people living in or near poverty that the entire global economy couldn’t withstand the poorest being out of work. That feels like a weird thing to say that you hope someone is right about but…I hope you’re right about it.
But, I dunno, we’re talking about the same attitude that saw several large corporations try out a 4-day/32 hour working week, discover that productivity stayed the same or even went up…and then went right back to the 5-day working week. The same attitude that sees people seriously suggesting that people who work from home should work extra hours unpaid because otherwise they’ll be able to have the time they otherwise would have spent commuting for themselves.
Also, of course, there’s the fact that a large number of people live in poverty and already can’t afford basics like 3 meals a day, let alone buying take-out, or a TV, or going on holiday. And Jeff Bezos isn’t campaigning to end child poverty even though doing so would enable people to spend more on Amazon.
I really think the only way that we’ll ever truly get something like UBI is if one of two things happen - governments who are genuienly invested in the welfare of their people introduce it, or there is enough mobilisation to put enough political pressure on governments to force them to introduce it. At least there are places that are trialling it, so it’s not unthinkable, but I don’t think the “there will be nobody to buy goods” argument really holds up, because those that that affects already demonstrably don’t give a shit.
They wont because our leaders and their owners are delusional and mentally ill.
But that’s the thing, that doesn’t matter. Because as soon as anyone comes along with a policy of introducing universal basic income, it doesn’t matter how entrenched the political establishment are, people will vote for that if they are losing their jobs.
Most countries political systems are not as completely dysfunctional as the US system. It is possible for independence’s and new parties to arise provided there is enough support. Not being made homeless through no fault of your own is a pretty big motivator to change your historical political leanings.
From a UK perspective:
The pensioners would never vote for party that would introduce something like this. They HATE the idea of younger generations getting “free money”. Honestly they’re the real problem. But they’re the demographic that vote the most and have a huge sway.
Just don’t point out to them how their triple locked pensions are probably the biggest financial cost to our [UK] country…