There was no push here, and that it’s perceived is the real enemy’s propaganda doing its job. But yeah, keep thinking that punching down is the solution to the problem. I’m sure the guys who would rather starve people than help them afford healthcare are going to solve all this guy’s grievances as long as he helps them pick on minorities. I mean, just look at all the history of how well that’s worked.
“No push here,” and yet you accuse us of “punching down” when all we’ve done is point out that there are men too that are suffering - and whenever someone tries to draw attention to it, they get dismissed as insecure idiots.
Literally everyone who isn’t rich is suffering in that same way. The rigged economy is trying to kill all of us. But working class straight white men don’t also have that blamed on them and don’t have their lives threatened in the way these people do on a daily basis.
He chose a post about how these people are threatened, and complained because it wasn’t about him. Not only to complain about how this is the one place he didn’t see himself represented, but then to use that as an excuse for supporting people who are literally trying to kill the people on that shirt. If you don’t see why that isn’t disturbingly probablematic and childishly selfish I don’t know what to say to you.
I’m a straight white male saying this to you and him, grow the fuck up. I have the same grievances about the rigged economy. And to top that off, I have a chronic life threatening illness.The people in power are trying way harder to kill me than the average straight white male. You don’t see me bitching and moaning that I’m not on that shirt, because I see myself on that shirt. Those people are me, we are all humans struggling. I know who the real enemy is. I would NEVER blame my problems on these people, or complain that their struggle is getting recognition. Because that struggle is IN ADDITION to all the same economic bullshit I have to struggle with day in and day out.
Instead of saying, “yeah, shit sucks out there and I’m with you,” he chose to say “this is why people like me support the people trying to kill you.” That is so fucked up beyond belief. THAT’S why he’s being dismissed.
Noone usually takes a minute in these debates to just acknowledge when someone is fighting the good fight and has made them feel better about humanity. I would like to do that this time and say thank you for being a great person (yea I know it’s cheesy, but sue me for it, lol).
I am also really sorry you have that condition and that we live in this timeframe where that can’t be quickly and adequately resolved for you. I would really love if I could offer you more tangible support, but as you say, the economy is fucked. So I guess I just wish you the best of luck.
You’re just proving his point. He didn’t make it about himself - he pointed out that people like him are constantly excluded and vilified in exactly the way you’re doing right now. You’ve taken his criticism of a pattern and responded by attacking him personally while lumping an entire demographic into one caricature - something you’d never do if it were any other group.
He chose a post about how these people are threatened, and complained because it wasn’t about him. Not only to complain about how this is the one place he didn’t see himself represented, but then to use that as an excuse for supporting people who are literally trying to kill the people on that shirt. If you don’t see why that isn’t disturbingly problematic and childishly selfish I don’t know what to say to you.
You can’t really exclude someone on a society-wide level who is part of the most generally accepted and respected demografic to any degree that would actually affect their life in any real way. Your arguing y’all are being attacked when you can’t even have a civil discussion where you acknowledge your priviledge without foaming at the mouth with rage. Please seek therapy, all of you that can’t see the real enemy.
…something you’d never do if it were any other group.
I wasn’t saying that you said men are acting uncivil or “foaming at the mouth with rage”
I said those words in referance to what I have personally seen from many white straight men (as well as heard about them from others). I apologize if you thought I was saying you thought/said that about them.
Really the whole thing about the idea of white straight men being attacked just makes me think of the Salem Witch Trials.
The witches (innocent women) were obviously attacking the poor white puritan men, hence why those witches (women) got rightfully burned.
I am sorry, but sometimes the perpetrator plays victem to feign innocents and ritiousness.
That’s not me claiming that men are being attacked - that’s me calling out Roofus for responding to al_Kaholic with an ad hominem instead of actually engaging with the argument.
You’re also treating both me and him like some caricature of the stereotypical “angry white man” that exists in your heads, rather than engaging with us as the individuals we actually are. You can’t make baseless assumptions about us, treat them as fact, and then expect us to defend this imaginary version of ourselves. I’ve been perfectly civil the entire time. I haven’t accused anyone of anything they didn’t explicitly say, and I certainly haven’t been “foaming at the mouth with rage.”
something you’d never do if it was any other group
is you making the assumption that we were demonizing you bc you claim to be white straight males (which Roofus is as well, according to himself. And I like him just fine (as of this morning, having just met(?) him). We are not demonizing blanketly based off the stereotype of white straight males, when I said “y’all” were foaming at the mouth and uncivil, I meant the sub-demographic of straight white men who refuse to accept that they are not the ones suffering the most on a purely demographical level.
It appears to trigger them to hear about other’s struggles, either due to having a victem complex that the truth challenges, or my personal theory: they feel guilty for having priviledge. Which I am not judging them for, to be extremely honest. I am white, for a while, I was a denier of the priveledge I have because I didn’t like the idea that I had it better then POC. But I worked through that because me denying the injustice does not help them. And I don’t want to deny their suffering just to make myself feel better.
This is why I said these white guys need therapy. To work through that guilt that they are easing by pretending they don’t have it easier.
I apologize for coming off hostile, it’s just been a really long struggle for progress, historically speaking, and we are backsliding rapidly. I really don’t want to hate anyone, it feels shitty. It just becomes really hard to not when so many are turning their anger at the system into hate for my family, my friends, and me.
I really do hope you have a nice day, more people should be able to.
There was no push here, and that it’s perceived is the real enemy’s propaganda doing its job. But yeah, keep thinking that punching down is the solution to the problem. I’m sure the guys who would rather starve people than help them afford healthcare are going to solve all this guy’s grievances as long as he helps them pick on minorities. I mean, just look at all the history of how well that’s worked.
“No push here,” and yet you accuse us of “punching down” when all we’ve done is point out that there are men too that are suffering - and whenever someone tries to draw attention to it, they get dismissed as insecure idiots.
Literally everyone who isn’t rich is suffering in that same way. The rigged economy is trying to kill all of us. But working class straight white men don’t also have that blamed on them and don’t have their lives threatened in the way these people do on a daily basis.
He chose a post about how these people are threatened, and complained because it wasn’t about him. Not only to complain about how this is the one place he didn’t see himself represented, but then to use that as an excuse for supporting people who are literally trying to kill the people on that shirt. If you don’t see why that isn’t disturbingly probablematic and childishly selfish I don’t know what to say to you.
I’m a straight white male saying this to you and him, grow the fuck up. I have the same grievances about the rigged economy. And to top that off, I have a chronic life threatening illness.The people in power are trying way harder to kill me than the average straight white male. You don’t see me bitching and moaning that I’m not on that shirt, because I see myself on that shirt. Those people are me, we are all humans struggling. I know who the real enemy is. I would NEVER blame my problems on these people, or complain that their struggle is getting recognition. Because that struggle is IN ADDITION to all the same economic bullshit I have to struggle with day in and day out.
Instead of saying, “yeah, shit sucks out there and I’m with you,” he chose to say “this is why people like me support the people trying to kill you.” That is so fucked up beyond belief. THAT’S why he’s being dismissed.
Noone usually takes a minute in these debates to just acknowledge when someone is fighting the good fight and has made them feel better about humanity. I would like to do that this time and say thank you for being a great person (yea I know it’s cheesy, but sue me for it, lol).
I am also really sorry you have that condition and that we live in this timeframe where that can’t be quickly and adequately resolved for you. I would really love if I could offer you more tangible support, but as you say, the economy is fucked. So I guess I just wish you the best of luck.
You’re just proving his point. He didn’t make it about himself - he pointed out that people like him are constantly excluded and vilified in exactly the way you’re doing right now. You’ve taken his criticism of a pattern and responded by attacking him personally while lumping an entire demographic into one caricature - something you’d never do if it were any other group.
You can’t really exclude someone on a society-wide level who is part of the most generally accepted and respected demografic to any degree that would actually affect their life in any real way. Your arguing y’all are being attacked when you can’t even have a civil discussion where you acknowledge your priviledge without foaming at the mouth with rage. Please seek therapy, all of you that can’t see the real enemy.
Could you please point out where I supposedly claimed that men are being attacked, are acting uncivil, or “foaming at the mouth with rage”?
You saying men are being attacked:
I wasn’t saying that you said men are acting uncivil or “foaming at the mouth with rage”
I said those words in referance to what I have personally seen from many white straight men (as well as heard about them from others). I apologize if you thought I was saying you thought/said that about them.
Really the whole thing about the idea of white straight men being attacked just makes me think of the Salem Witch Trials.
The witches (innocent women) were obviously attacking the poor white puritan men, hence why those witches (women) got rightfully burned.
I am sorry, but sometimes the perpetrator plays victem to feign innocents and ritiousness.
That’s not me claiming that men are being attacked - that’s me calling out Roofus for responding to al_Kaholic with an ad hominem instead of actually engaging with the argument.
You’re also treating both me and him like some caricature of the stereotypical “angry white man” that exists in your heads, rather than engaging with us as the individuals we actually are. You can’t make baseless assumptions about us, treat them as fact, and then expect us to defend this imaginary version of ourselves. I’ve been perfectly civil the entire time. I haven’t accused anyone of anything they didn’t explicitly say, and I certainly haven’t been “foaming at the mouth with rage.”
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is you making the assumption that we were demonizing you bc you claim to be white straight males (which Roofus is as well, according to himself. And I like him just fine (as of this morning, having just met(?) him). We are not demonizing blanketly based off the stereotype of white straight males, when I said “y’all” were foaming at the mouth and uncivil, I meant the sub-demographic of straight white men who refuse to accept that they are not the ones suffering the most on a purely demographical level.
It appears to trigger them to hear about other’s struggles, either due to having a victem complex that the truth challenges, or my personal theory: they feel guilty for having priviledge. Which I am not judging them for, to be extremely honest. I am white, for a while, I was a denier of the priveledge I have because I didn’t like the idea that I had it better then POC. But I worked through that because me denying the injustice does not help them. And I don’t want to deny their suffering just to make myself feel better.
This is why I said these white guys need therapy. To work through that guilt that they are easing by pretending they don’t have it easier.
I apologize for coming off hostile, it’s just been a really long struggle for progress, historically speaking, and we are backsliding rapidly. I really don’t want to hate anyone, it feels shitty. It just becomes really hard to not when so many are turning their anger at the system into hate for my family, my friends, and me.
I really do hope you have a nice day, more people should be able to.
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