You’re just proving his point. He didn’t make it about himself - he pointed out that people like him are constantly excluded and vilified in exactly the way you’re doing right now. You’ve taken his criticism of a pattern and responded by attacking him personally while lumping an entire demographic into one caricature - something you’d never do if it were any other group.
He chose a post about how these people are threatened, and complained because it wasn’t about him. Not only to complain about how this is the one place he didn’t see himself represented, but then to use that as an excuse for supporting people who are literally trying to kill the people on that shirt. If you don’t see why that isn’t disturbingly problematic and childishly selfish I don’t know what to say to you.
You can’t really exclude someone on a society-wide level who is part of the most generally accepted and respected demografic to any degree that would actually affect their life in any real way. Your arguing y’all are being attacked when you can’t even have a civil discussion where you acknowledge your priviledge without foaming at the mouth with rage. Please seek therapy, all of you that can’t see the real enemy.
…something you’d never do if it were any other group.
I wasn’t saying that you said men are acting uncivil or “foaming at the mouth with rage”
I said those words in referance to what I have personally seen from many white straight men (as well as heard about them from others). I apologize if you thought I was saying you thought/said that about them.
Really the whole thing about the idea of white straight men being attacked just makes me think of the Salem Witch Trials.
The witches (innocent women) were obviously attacking the poor white puritan men, hence why those witches (women) got rightfully burned.
I am sorry, but sometimes the perpetrator plays victem to feign innocents and ritiousness.
That’s not me claiming that men are being attacked - that’s me calling out Roofus for responding to al_Kaholic with an ad hominem instead of actually engaging with the argument.
You’re also treating both me and him like some caricature of the stereotypical “angry white man” that exists in your heads, rather than engaging with us as the individuals we actually are. You can’t make baseless assumptions about us, treat them as fact, and then expect us to defend this imaginary version of ourselves. I’ve been perfectly civil the entire time. I haven’t accused anyone of anything they didn’t explicitly say, and I certainly haven’t been “foaming at the mouth with rage.”
something you’d never do if it was any other group
is you making the assumption that we were demonizing you bc you claim to be white straight males (which Roofus is as well, according to himself. And I like him just fine (as of this morning, having just met(?) him). We are not demonizing blanketly based off the stereotype of white straight males, when I said “y’all” were foaming at the mouth and uncivil, I meant the sub-demographic of straight white men who refuse to accept that they are not the ones suffering the most on a purely demographical level.
It appears to trigger them to hear about other’s struggles, either due to having a victem complex that the truth challenges, or my personal theory: they feel guilty for having priviledge. Which I am not judging them for, to be extremely honest. I am white, for a while, I was a denier of the priveledge I have because I didn’t like the idea that I had it better then POC. But I worked through that because me denying the injustice does not help them. And I don’t want to deny their suffering just to make myself feel better.
This is why I said these white guys need therapy. To work through that guilt that they are easing by pretending they don’t have it easier.
I apologize for coming off hostile, it’s just been a really long struggle for progress, historically speaking, and we are backsliding rapidly. I really don’t want to hate anyone, it feels shitty. It just becomes really hard to not when so many are turning their anger at the system into hate for my family, my friends, and me.
I really do hope you have a nice day, more people should be able to.
is you making the assumption that we were demonizing you bc you claim to be white straight males
It’s not an assumption. It’s what he’s literally saying. This isn’t about us as individuals but about men as whole.
The most white male take in the world.
Is the whiniest white male shit in the world.
Comments like this couldn’t be made about any other demographic without sounding blatantly bigoted - but somehow it’s fine when it’s about white men. It just gets under my skin when people dismiss men’s issues and act as if it’s some kind of competition over who has it worse. Seventy-five percent of the people who die by suicide in the U.S. are men. What ever “white male privilege” there is in the world, it isn’t helping these men at all.
While it is tragic that so many men are killing themselves, it is largely reported to be due to guilt, because many of these men seem to have realized they had more priviledge and couldn’t see a way to cope. It is really fucking sad that they felt that was the correct way to deal with it instead of rising up to help marginalized groups. They could have been more helpful alive than dead.
Which is back to my point that you seem to have not responded to: These men are troubled and feel guilty, some just get angry and mean about it or kill themselves instead of trying to be a force for positive change.
We need not strip these men of any shred of dignity they have left, they actively made the choice to kill themselves over the guilt. That was the last way in which they chose to excersize their free will, let’s not make them out to have had no agency, suicide is always a choice. They could have chosen to let go of the guilt that was never really their burden to carry if they were free of wrongdoing and instead just become dedicated to helping people.
many of these men seem to have realized they had more priviledge and couldn’t see a way to cope.
That’s not true. The high suicide rate among men today largely stems from a sense of worthlessness, uselessness, and lack of meaning in life. Many of these men struggle to find steady work, meaningful relationships, or close friendships. They feel isolated, excluded, and invisible to society. On top of that, men are often discouraged from expressing vulnerability or asking for help, so their suffering stays hidden until it becomes unbearable.
You’re just proving his point. He didn’t make it about himself - he pointed out that people like him are constantly excluded and vilified in exactly the way you’re doing right now. You’ve taken his criticism of a pattern and responded by attacking him personally while lumping an entire demographic into one caricature - something you’d never do if it were any other group.
You can’t really exclude someone on a society-wide level who is part of the most generally accepted and respected demografic to any degree that would actually affect their life in any real way. Your arguing y’all are being attacked when you can’t even have a civil discussion where you acknowledge your priviledge without foaming at the mouth with rage. Please seek therapy, all of you that can’t see the real enemy.
Could you please point out where I supposedly claimed that men are being attacked, are acting uncivil, or “foaming at the mouth with rage”?
You saying men are being attacked:
I wasn’t saying that you said men are acting uncivil or “foaming at the mouth with rage”
I said those words in referance to what I have personally seen from many white straight men (as well as heard about them from others). I apologize if you thought I was saying you thought/said that about them.
Really the whole thing about the idea of white straight men being attacked just makes me think of the Salem Witch Trials.
The witches (innocent women) were obviously attacking the poor white puritan men, hence why those witches (women) got rightfully burned.
I am sorry, but sometimes the perpetrator plays victem to feign innocents and ritiousness.
That’s not me claiming that men are being attacked - that’s me calling out Roofus for responding to al_Kaholic with an ad hominem instead of actually engaging with the argument.
You’re also treating both me and him like some caricature of the stereotypical “angry white man” that exists in your heads, rather than engaging with us as the individuals we actually are. You can’t make baseless assumptions about us, treat them as fact, and then expect us to defend this imaginary version of ourselves. I’ve been perfectly civil the entire time. I haven’t accused anyone of anything they didn’t explicitly say, and I certainly haven’t been “foaming at the mouth with rage.”
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is you making the assumption that we were demonizing you bc you claim to be white straight males (which Roofus is as well, according to himself. And I like him just fine (as of this morning, having just met(?) him). We are not demonizing blanketly based off the stereotype of white straight males, when I said “y’all” were foaming at the mouth and uncivil, I meant the sub-demographic of straight white men who refuse to accept that they are not the ones suffering the most on a purely demographical level.
It appears to trigger them to hear about other’s struggles, either due to having a victem complex that the truth challenges, or my personal theory: they feel guilty for having priviledge. Which I am not judging them for, to be extremely honest. I am white, for a while, I was a denier of the priveledge I have because I didn’t like the idea that I had it better then POC. But I worked through that because me denying the injustice does not help them. And I don’t want to deny their suffering just to make myself feel better.
This is why I said these white guys need therapy. To work through that guilt that they are easing by pretending they don’t have it easier.
I apologize for coming off hostile, it’s just been a really long struggle for progress, historically speaking, and we are backsliding rapidly. I really don’t want to hate anyone, it feels shitty. It just becomes really hard to not when so many are turning their anger at the system into hate for my family, my friends, and me.
I really do hope you have a nice day, more people should be able to.
It’s not an assumption. It’s what he’s literally saying. This isn’t about us as individuals but about men as whole.
Comments like this couldn’t be made about any other demographic without sounding blatantly bigoted - but somehow it’s fine when it’s about white men. It just gets under my skin when people dismiss men’s issues and act as if it’s some kind of competition over who has it worse. Seventy-five percent of the people who die by suicide in the U.S. are men. What ever “white male privilege” there is in the world, it isn’t helping these men at all.
While it is tragic that so many men are killing themselves, it is largely reported to be due to guilt, because many of these men seem to have realized they had more priviledge and couldn’t see a way to cope. It is really fucking sad that they felt that was the correct way to deal with it instead of rising up to help marginalized groups. They could have been more helpful alive than dead.
Which is back to my point that you seem to have not responded to: These men are troubled and feel guilty, some just get angry and mean about it or kill themselves instead of trying to be a force for positive change.
We need not strip these men of any shred of dignity they have left, they actively made the choice to kill themselves over the guilt. That was the last way in which they chose to excersize their free will, let’s not make them out to have had no agency, suicide is always a choice. They could have chosen to let go of the guilt that was never really their burden to carry if they were free of wrongdoing and instead just become dedicated to helping people.
That’s not true. The high suicide rate among men today largely stems from a sense of worthlessness, uselessness, and lack of meaning in life. Many of these men struggle to find steady work, meaningful relationships, or close friendships. They feel isolated, excluded, and invisible to society. On top of that, men are often discouraged from expressing vulnerability or asking for help, so their suffering stays hidden until it becomes unbearable.
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