Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.
Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.
Don’t be a fool. Everyone in America has guns or access to them. It’s trivial to buy one and many on the left own them all the same as anyone else.
Like 40% of American households own guns. Most gun owners just own multiple. Leftist should either arm themselves in preparation or be prepared to be trampled on.
Thats a nice lie that left/center leaning people keep telling themselves.
The reality is that republicans by far have a higher percentage of gun owners.
If there were a fight that started today, there would be a sweep.
Then you have to remember that every force of violence in the US, LEOs, all branches of military, all support trump.
So, what kind of gun can I buy that will let me defend myself from a tyrannical reaper drone?
Or maybe planning to fight your enemy where he is strongest is fucking dumb?
If the full force of the FBI, military, and local law enforcement turns against the citizenry the citizenry is cooked.
Hopefully our fellow citizens will balk at killing their neighbors, but if they don’t, shotguns and handguns are only useful to increase the cost of enforcement on the gestapo.
They didn’t balk when their neighbors were being rounded up by the new gestapo and shipped off to extra-national slave prison camps.
Hope springs eternal. Preparations should be made for darker futures.
A gun does not defend you from a drone. It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.
The point later in the comment is about what happens if the government fully turns in the citizens. Protecting yourself is midway to that.
You basically can’t let it get that far or you’re just cooked.
No, it doesn’t defend you. At best, it will give you a chance to shoot back. Statistically speaking, the person you are most likely to use a gun on is yourself, second most likely victim of your gun is your spouse.
That’s nice, but those statistics are from a different time with a different threat profile.
We are long done with pretending we’re living in a reasonable society.
Actually, about 27,000 people in the US committed suicide by gun last year, compared to 16,000 non-suicide gun deaths, and apparently the gun suicide to gun deaths ratio actually went up from 2023.
Did you not at all read my comment?
I knew the stats before you mentioned them, I’m pointing out there are clear differences to society right now that make this data far less relevant.
Your actually implies you’re arguing against an argument I’ve made but you aren’t at all.
Ah, so you think (without any evidence) that the trend suddenly and drastically reversed itself in the last 10 months and no one bothered to report on it?
No, the difference is, you believe all the bullshit. And I’m wise enough not to.
I’m not sure you can even vocalize what you’re trying to say here.
The facts are just not in your favour.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Key excerpt:
You’ll find that all available information says similar.
Republicans have a much higher percentage of gun ownership than democrats.
It’s not just that they own more guns per individual. They have more individuals with guns.
I’m pretty sure what they are saying is that they don’t believe a civil war (or similar) is starting.
There are millions of people in the US - if there was really an appetite for mass violence in the populace, it would’ve already revealed itself.
Accept that we are relatively peaceful in modern times and rethink your beliefs. Not many are willing to shoot their neighbor and contribute to the destruction of society because of the theater playing out in our government, politics, and media.
Here’s a hypothetical for you to digest:
Would even the people deepest in the MAGA movement want their children to exist in a world where they aren’t safe due to political violence and civil war? Could they reasonably protect them in such a reality?
This is insane logic to me when the president is clearly gearing up to do violence against the people, and the violent rhetoric is at an all time high.
“it hasn’t happened yet, so it wont happen despite all the signs saying it will” is such a bad take its unimaginably bad.
There are literally multiple genocides happening right now. There are literally people being disappeared off the streets with no trials, identification and we don’t know where they are ending up.
This is just an insane take.
They fucking stormed the capital!
Yes??? Are you not hearing these people. Holy fuck.
This is a new level of sticking ones head in the sand.
No, but they value hate above incredible personal sacrifice, hence their voting choices.
And yet he hasn’t been able to - because despite all the propaganda, he can’t justify it to his base. They have to resort to playing old protest footage and making up easily disprovable lies to rile people up - does that not read as desperate to you?
People are not taking the bait on either side. Stop acting like he (and the people influencing him) already won. They haven’t, and they won’t.
Despite the world population exploding, there has historically been much worse happening - and at much greater scales.
Which unfortunately isn’t an entirely new occurrence if you look it up. These people have been living here and working here in massive amounts, and they have always lived under the threat of deportation, discrimination, and living as modern slaves - with very little recourse.
Under this administration, it’s certainly much more well-funded, it’s much more chaotic, it’s much more performative in the way it’s being done, and people being denied due process and getting shipped away to death camps and countries they’ve never been to is obviously extremely concerning and is not a positive trajectory (and is not performative, it’s very real).
It’s not an indicator that there is a civil war on the horizon though.
Everybody was free to do something tangible about that, including the people who held power after that event.
No, you are hearing the most vocal and insane examples through social media and other forms of media. Most people are not violent, believing others need to be shot because their politics differ. People are densely packed in with each other and nobody has fortresses besides the very rich. A civil war is not sustainable anywhere here in the US.
They are being manipulated into believing this is a matter of survival. They are led to believe that they are 1) voting in their best interest 2) that if they vote differently, people will take what they earned and worked hard for 3) that the other side is demonic, woke, and ineffectual. Hate doesn’t factor into the equation for most of these people.
The world is a different place outside of social media and partisan media. Ground yourself, considering connecting with your community by attending an event or group or potentially volunteering your time, and understand that things are not always exactly how they are presented by those that literally thrive on our attention.
77 million people voted for Trump. There are over 340 million people in the US. Let that sink in and please consider reevaluating your beliefs.
Proclaiming Matthew 25 would diffuse a large part of what is going on - that’s how much of a house of cards this all is.
Its only been ramping up, not down.
No. That reads as a disinformation campaign, and one that is working as they have ICE members ready and willing, currently committing heinous acts against the people.,
This arugment couldn’t be more brain dead
“There are worse things than modern genocides, so its not that bad”.
I’m finding it hard to think you arent a troll with logic like that.
Is every single bit of logic you have false equivalences in bad faith? That seems like it might be it.
This is tremendously brain dead logic once again, and it starts with you inserting a civil war angle to try to bait this discussion into going a specific way so we can’t discuss the details of whats happening through their logical stages.
When this ramps up further, and people need to defend themselves, it doesn’t matter what you call it.
This does not change anything. This is just you pointing out a separate failure.
More than that, they didn’t do nothing, as otherwise there wouldnt be any people to pardon.
Polls repeatedly show that his supporters support him basically no matter what. You’re just trying to downplay this, when in reality double digit percentages more republicans own guns than democrats, and their rhetoric for years has been to find a purpose for them.
Its almost like there is a reason that cities are blue, and anywhere that isn’t a city is red.
Surely though this means everyone loves thy neighbor according to you.
How are you in one breath saying its no big deal and they don’t think like this, then in the other breath, in the same god damn comment, saying that they think its a matter of survival?
This is crazy double speak. You are literally stating here that they think the other side is demonic, that they hate them for being woke (acknowledging the hardships of marginalized people), and ineffectual (similarly to how in Nazi germany jews were portrayed as weak, yet powerful and coniving), and somehow you pretend its not about hate.
Craaaaaazy set of clearly contradicting sentences.
The difference you are portraying is one where you stick your head in the sand and ignore what is actually happening in order to believe that everything is fine and nothing ever happens.
Your attempts at condescension while being completely ignorant are astounding.
Less people voted for the only alternative, and of those polled, for the eligible non-voters (Which you know is the number that matters and is exactly why you used total population to be misleading), surveys have said that trump would have still won if they voted.
Quoting the religious text of the regime to me after all you’ve just said is the icing on this shit cake.
You can see me as braindead, as a troll, as engaging in “double speak”, as being condescending, as being ignorant, and so forth. None of those things are true, and this conversation has quickly devolved into shit-slinging instead of a healthy discussion. It seems like you are in an incredibly bad headspace - maybe I’m off-base, but I’m not looking down on you by pointing this out and asking you to consider untangling yourself from narratives strung by our media.
That’s literally the context of the chain, somebody disagreed with your perspective in specific way and I spoke to my perspective in response to you - focusing on the likelihood of a civil war or mass violence perpetrated by MAGA.
We are both just as aware of what’s going on as the other one, but I’m attempting to have a cooler head about it. I live in an area that is overwhelmingly occupied by MAGA voters and I’m not seeing the overflowing hate and violence here as an openly gay person.
Trump wouldn’t have been able to run for the highest office in the country and assume office if they did do something concrete.
A large portion of these 77 million people are Christians, likely. Matthew 25 is literally teaching others to do the exact opposite of what the regime is currently doing. I’m attempting to point out here that there are over 250 million people who are not radicalized.
Being propagandized and manipulated is not exactly the same thing as being hateful. Christians are indeed manipulated into hate, but would quickly be shown the light if people assuaged their fears. As for people on the far-right media pipeline who are not religious, they may not be so easily shown the light.
Most Democrats are not as squeaky clean as we are led to believe and these people are likely picking up on something for them to strongly reject the other side. Like our last president being a Zionist who committed a genocide, even Kamala wrestled with that reality as detailed in her book.
Everybody would benefit from calming down. You are free to disagree - and I’m not suggesting that we calm down to the point of passivity and subservience to the chain of events unfolding, but rather calm down in regards to seeing violence with our neighbors as inevitable or likely.
Interesting that you think illegal kidnapping, unabated corruption, and disassembly of government institutions is theater.
I can say safely that it’s set in the context of theater with all the propaganda flying around, but there are real things happening through carefully crafted circumstances and framing. If you understood my intentions you would realize what I really meant instead of smearing me.
Nobody smearing I merely find your stance interesting.
Fair enough. A criminal reality show host becoming president in 2016 was the moment where I began holding this perspective if that interests you.
Trump has power because he knows how to work his base. It’s undeniable to me that a person who understands television and building one of the biggest cults ever in history isn’t still performing, on some levels.
The propaganda is so good nobody in his base realizes he has cognitive decline and isn’t fit for office. It’s a gargantuan effort to make propaganda this good - there’s a lot of people whose jobs are literally spinning everything to fit their preferred narrative and selling it to their far-right base.
Even liberal mainstream media is responsible for constantly sanewashing Trump and this administration.