Ah America. Where a six year old can access firearms but not a lunch program.
That’s our school lunch program. Here is a gun, go kill something and eat it.
Man, that’s fucked up
What idiot downvotes this?
Are you gonna tell a kid with a gun you aren’t going to give him lunch?
Gun companies need to be able to sell their products to anyone without any liability for arming crazy people.
No matter how many people are on either side of the issue, gun manufacturers always win.
And all gun violence is OK as long as there is a payout to someone.
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The student’s mother was sentenced to nearly four years in prison for child neglect and federal weapons charges.
You are responsible for your child. Until they are 18, they are an extension of you. You programmed them. No excuses.
If it was her gun (which it was), yeah this makes sense. If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something? idk its a wild world.
If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something?
That’s what a jurry would consider after both sides have made their case.
I guess this is my sign to start dumpster diving
If one is to reach for the most unlikely thing to happen to base their opinion on, then I suppose that you have a point.
If you want to be pedantic, I suppose “got the gun from another kid” is more reasonable?
If the case was that this kid got the gun from another kid Who got the gun from home: The kid who pulled the trigger, and the weapons dealer, all of their parents should be put in jail. All of their parents Should not be able to be guardians of another child in the future.
It is always the parents’s fault.
This seems overly knee jerky. So if good parents have a kid who shoots a teacher, with a gun that came from another kid at school, those good parents should go to jail?
You realize six isn’t old enough to know what they are truly doing. They don’t grasp life vs death, they would likely not even see “shooting the teacher” as anything more than play before they did it. It’s exactly for this reason that we don’t hold children accountable in the same way we do adults.
Are there outliers? Absolutely. But to just make a blanket statement that every adult involved should go to jail is an extreme I just can’t agree with.
Please teach your children that if another child hands them a firearm in school, to not take that firearm and deliberately shoot the teacher. I think that’s parenting 101
I am perfectly fine with the child being put in jail, but I think you would probably disagree with that.
Yes, I realize that six is not old enough to know what they are truly doing… But that does not excuse the parents. That’s the whole thing I’m saying. This is my opinion. There are zero things you can do to change my mind. It is perfectly fine that you disagree with my opinion, I don’t disrespect you for not sharing my opinion.
My dude, if you think telling a kid not to do something means they won’t do it, you’re obviously not a parent.
You can’t reasonably assume a kid isn’t going to do something at six. Even if you’ve told them not to do that thing every day of their life. It’s why child locks exist. It’s why kids end up in the hospital every day.
In a perfect world you could just type out on a keyboard “Johnny isn’t allowed to go in the pool area without an adult” and he’d listen. in the real world Johnny wants the ball, and it’ll be real quick, and mommy is busy, and he’s bringing the dog that counts, and oh shit Johnny drowned.
This doesn’t jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have “programmed” me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.
The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.
Sure but neglected child is always going to turn out worse than one that was properly loved and taken care of. You can’t just go oh well child psychology is complicated, so let’s just ignore the parents responsibilities.
Is leaving your gun lying around where a 6 year old can acquire and use it to shoot someone one of those sinifificant uncontrollable elements?
No, because the existence of some uncontrollable elements doesn’t erase all the controllable elements.
This woman did something very wrong and controllable, which is why she’s in prison.
Just because you don’t like guns doesn’t mean you should ruin some innocent person’s life over it. Law should not be about power and crushing your political opponents.
That being said, it is very likely that she was neglectful of her child if he is 6 and wants to shoot his teacher, but honestly that’s something I could see myself doing when I was 6. I hated being in school, and from the kids perspective he is basically being forced into slavery by the state, and the teachers are making it nearly impossible for him to live his life as he wants. It’s not all that crazy when you realize that people have different perspectives. We live in a society where killing is considered bad, but we also normalize the idea of basically forcing children into prisons. I don’t think the kid is wrong. He is being forced there against his will, and obviously he doesn’t want to be in that class if he is willing to kill his teacher, but idk the details. There could also be some dumb or immoral reason for doing it. It’s very likely when they are 6. There is really no good reason for a 6 year old to be away from their parents. Its too young and we as a society have become so greedy that we are willing to accept these things so people can buy more stuff. One of the parents should be raising a child and not working if they are having children. Our society has failed Inca big way by doing this and it causes all kinds of negative effects on society.
I think if there was a warning that the kid had a gun, the principal probably should have taken it from him and called his mother and asked why their kid is bringing guns to school? Definitely seems like mostly a failure of the administration, but since the mother in in prison for four years, I’m assuming she was a drug addict or something and not feeding or comforting her child, which probably exacerbated it, but then again just speculation.
I guess the point is, from my limited knowledge of the event, just a headline, it seems like things probably worked out correctly in the case.
Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.
Not everyone is qualified to be a parent.
A six year old is very unlikely to fully grasp what they are doing, and a parent wouldn’t necessarily “think their kid might shoot someone”.
Yes I agree. However, a six-year-old child does not randomly get the idea to take a gun to school and shoot a teacher. They get it from somewhere. They may not fully understand, but that doesn’t matter. I’m just happy that parent is in jail. I hope they do not get released early, and I hope they do not ever get to be that child guardian again
Nobody knows how parenthood will turn out, my friend. Nobody is qualified to decide who is qualified… Good.
I agree. And if it ends up that you weren’t qualified, that might be a jail sentence. Good.
“Breed”
Getting a clearer picture now.
Do you? Or do you just want to feel a certain way?
I guess it depends on the household. I could say my mom did a great job at educating us. My siblings, mom, and I hold very similar values.
I sense that “child neglect” and “federal weapons” chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.
Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don’t leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available…
I suspect that’s what the gun charges are for. Proper gun etiquette is not to keep the damn thing loaded.
The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn’t just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.
Of course he’s not criminally responsible for that because he’s six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn’t turn into a monster.
Yeah, those parents def fucked them up bad…
I had my first two guns in my room when I was 6, but that was the 90s. I wasn’t allowed to play with them for the first few weeks until my parents were sure that I knew how to handle them safely. This was a time before the internet though and people didn’t really have these concepts of guns being some evil and super dangerous thing. A gun is only really dangerous in the hands of a bad person or someone who doesn’t know how to handle them properly. Where I grew up it was just considered a fact of life. The younger you could get kids out in the woods hunting the better. I would bring home squirrels and rabbits to eat when I was like 7-8 years old. This was just the norm for most of human history but modern humans have lost touch with these things.
The only thing my dad really taught me was to check a gun every time I picked it up, to never assume it was unloaded. To make sure I knew what was behind what I was shooting, so I didn’t shoot someone’s house, and to keep it unchambered until I need to use it. Those 3 basic rules were good enough for me. I knew they were dangerous and to not play with them too much.
You mean they don’t sell loaded guns to 6-year-olds? America: land of the free. 😞
It’s 2025 and people still think age discrimination is ok
“You programmed them”?
Really? That’s an extremely naive take.
No, you just strongly agree because you’re obsessed with babies.
What a weird response
Weird response is taking the side of not punishing the parent for the child’s actions.
Tell us more!
This thread is going places, gather around kids.
It also outlined how one instance in which Ms Zwerner allegedly told Ms Parker that the child was in a “violent mood” and had made threats against another child.
Ms Parker allegedly “had no response” and refused to “even look up” when concerns about the child were brought to her.
Ms Parker’s lawyer argued that she could not have known what would happen, and that Ms Zwerner has exaggerated the extent of her injuries.
Could not have known? Despite being told the child was making threats to other students?
And exaggerated the extent of her injuries? She was fucking shot by a 6 yo. What’s to exaggerate?
That’s not even close to the worst part. After Zwerner reported his “violent mood,” two other teachers reported to Parker that students were telling them he had a gun… The first searched his backpack and turned up nothing but believed it could have been on his person (they saw him tuck something under his sweatshirt.) Parker’s response was that his pockets were too small to hold a gun. Second teacher had another student report he had flashed them the gun in his pocket. Second teacher wanted to search him, but Parker forbade him because the first teacher had already searched his backpack.
That’s pretty fucking bad…
Good on her. I hope she puts that money to good use. Teachers usually have a good head on their shoulders, from my experience.
Depends on the school. Some teachers shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children
Mine were amazing across the board throughout K-12. That’s why I said in my experience.
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Well, no. She’s collecting tax payer dollars because a school administrator didn’t do anything when told that the child might have a gun.
Well, no. The mother had the gun in the house that the child used. Thankfully the mother is now in jail and the administrator is facing charges still…The craziest thing out of all this is…The student was not charged with wrongdoing and is reportedly in the care of a relative and enrolled at a different school.
The student was 6 years old ffs
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This is a perfect example of the noncentral fallacy. When you say ‘school shooter’ what comes to mind is a sixteen year old sociopath murdering a dozen people in a planned terrorist attack, not a six year old who is incapable of understanding the consequences of his actions.
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Wow, you are scum to write off a child’s entire life like that. Yeah, you’re definitely an American “Christian conservative” (quoting another of your comments from elsewhere). I’m writing you off - it’s a shame you didn’t get the same treatment you’re advocating when you were a kid.
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Well at least you understand and acknowledge that being a Christian Conservative is bad and that it’s an insult to be called such
It often stings a LOT, but I can see why you wouldn’t know that considering your obvious disdain for it.
Mental facilities really aren’t very good. He will have a better chance of turning his life around while living in a home, with a family, and recieving mental health therapy.
Housing in a “mental facility” (at least here in the US) would make that outcome all but certain. The kid needs regular assessment and help from professionals, sure. With a loving home and safe caregivers through the rest of childhood it will be possible for him to recover and reconcile with his actions, so I hope that’s what he’s getting.
Well… yes? Did you read the article? Or the thread you’re replying to?
There are two court cases here (as you seem to understand…) - a civil case against the school, which awarded monetary damages to the teacher (as civil cases often do), and a criminal case against the mother, which awarded prison time (as criminal cases often do). Quite literally, as I stated in the post you replied to, the monetary damages she’s collecting are because the school administrator didn’t do her job. The prison time the mother is serving is because she had an unsecured firearm in her house that the child used. They’re two different things.
That’s a convenient thought to absolve the mother.
While the administrator carries responsibility for the lack of action, they did not shape the child’s mind nor circumstance that led to this situation in the first place.
It’s not absolving the mother of anything. This is a civil case against the school specifically because the administrator did not do their job. There was a separate, criminal case against the mother, which came with its own penalties.
The point was that it’s a shame the taxpayer is on the hook for this. Not that the mother is solely at fault and the administrator isn’t.
So it is a shame that it isctaxoayer dollars. But, the tax payers voted for the school board that didn’t establish a culture of responsible administrators. And when I say the tax payers voted… really I mean they didn’t. Turnout for such things is terribly low. Taxpayers need to establish that administrators like this should never be around children, and anyone who lets it happen should be voted out. They should also demand more money for schools so that there is more to pay for better teachers and administrators. It really shouldn’t be all on them. But noone else is going to make it happen.
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How did the six-year-old get $10m with which to be fined?
Child gets $10M from jury Child proceeds to shoot teacher
RTFA - The suit was against the school district and the assistant principle for failing to do anything after they’d been told that the student may have brought a gun to school.
Wait, the six-year-old was wearing a suit?
