That’s how you get grifters running purely on anti-establishment without any real platform other than enriching themselves.
Its hard, but we need to look at the people we are electing and what we do and don’t like about what they’re doing and if they can’t be pushed into a direction that works for us, then we give them the boot.
No, its saying take a second to think about what we actually want in a politician, then pushing for those people instead of blindly throwing the baby out with the bathwater, voting for another douche bag who has no platform beyond being anti-establishment, then wondering why things are somehow getting worse.
I feel like what you’re hearing from me is “vote blue no matter who” what I’m actually saying is that government won’t be fixed by pure cynicism, you need to actually have an opinion about how you want it to function, and I assure you there are probably some people out there who support that vision. If the people representing you do not, then by all means vote them out but also support someone who most closely aligns to what you do want.
When have we tried voting as an informed electorate? It doesn’t matter how many times we throw them out if we don’t pay attention to who we’re letting in. What you’re proposing is endlessly shuffling a deck and expecting it to magically be sorted after enough shuffles.
The number of morons I’ve talked to whose entire understanding of politics and policy boils down to them saying “government can’t do anything!” or “the two sides just need to come together” infuriates me. We need people to have actual opinions based in reality of both lived experience and informing themselves through things like news stories or town halls, even if its only for a few weeks around voting season. Without that we’re just going to have a revolving door of grifters each one leaving with nice full pockets each time they leave.
Cool so you’re idea is wait 100 years to educate the general population on, logic, health, critical thinking, civics, etc … Let me know how that works out as I will be long dead.
I don’t think you have a nuanced view of politics if you aknowledge there is a controlled opposition party and you think that they will allow the status quo to change.
That’s how you get grifters running purely on anti-establishment without any real platform other than enriching themselves.
Its hard, but we need to look at the people we are electing and what we do and don’t like about what they’re doing and if they can’t be pushed into a direction that works for us, then we give them the boot.
And that result is different then the grifters we currently get? I call bullshit on your conclusion good sir.
No, its saying take a second to think about what we actually want in a politician, then pushing for those people instead of blindly throwing the baby out with the bathwater, voting for another douche bag who has no platform beyond being anti-establishment, then wondering why things are somehow getting worse.
I feel like what you’re hearing from me is “vote blue no matter who” what I’m actually saying is that government won’t be fixed by pure cynicism, you need to actually have an opinion about how you want it to function, and I assure you there are probably some people out there who support that vision. If the people representing you do not, then by all means vote them out but also support someone who most closely aligns to what you do want.
We tried it your way and it didn’t work. Flush them all till the working classes lives improve.
When have we tried voting as an informed electorate? It doesn’t matter how many times we throw them out if we don’t pay attention to who we’re letting in. What you’re proposing is endlessly shuffling a deck and expecting it to magically be sorted after enough shuffles.
The number of morons I’ve talked to whose entire understanding of politics and policy boils down to them saying “government can’t do anything!” or “the two sides just need to come together” infuriates me. We need people to have actual opinions based in reality of both lived experience and informing themselves through things like news stories or town halls, even if its only for a few weeks around voting season. Without that we’re just going to have a revolving door of grifters each one leaving with nice full pockets each time they leave.
Cool so you’re idea is wait 100 years to educate the general population on, logic, health, critical thinking, civics, etc … Let me know how that works out as I will be long dead.
Oh no, if we vote out the grifters, then a grifter might get elected.
No, I’m saying arbitrarily burning everything down without actually thinking about our politics is a recipe for making the same mistakes as last time.
How did the last candidate who promised to drain the swamp end up?
Oh nooo don’t burn down the opposition party.
They might throw us one of those bones they keep waving in front of our noses.
They never have, but maybe if we deepthroat Neoliberalism hard enough it will work this time!
I see nuance is difficult for you.
I don’t think you have a nuanced view of politics if you aknowledge there is a controlled opposition party and you think that they will allow the status quo to change.
Said nothing of the sort. Good luck.
Well that’s the nuance, that’s the unspoken truth.
If that’s not what you mean then you wana fill me in on this “nuance”?
Are you pre or post disillusionment with the DNC being a party that is capable of positive change?
Because that really decides what level of nuance we’re talking about here.