How do you do, fellow gen-zers?
i always suspect these “gen-z” protests lately. i couldn’t quite put my finger why, but they sound propagand-y enough that i always suspect it might be a color revolution instead.
glad to know i’m not completely insane.
You don’t understand: Gen-Z suddenly, organically, and globally had a collective epiphany. No NGO no NGO you’re the NGO.
CIA help is my guess. Is there strife anywhere on the planet in the last 80 years that isn’t USA instigated?
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. — Rahm Emanuel
Couldn’t fit Sheinbaum on a bullet, huh?
Why is Gen-Z so right wing? Bunch of bootlicking Nazis.
They aren’t right wing, at the global level.
This story is a follow-up to reports that the “Gen-Z” rebellion in Mexico in particular seems to mostly consist of older people, like Gen X and Boomers.
So, it’s an astroturf movement by the right.
Mexico does have a higher proportion of conservatives in Gen Z than any other demographic, but they’re still not a majority.
The reason that is, is because of our proximity to the US and its huge propaganda machine as well as concerted efforts by our media to paint conservatism as the real principled rebellion yadda yadda.
This has also been largely successful due to morena’s milquetoast succdem fence-sitting bullshit giving plenty of ammunition to the propagandists regarding issues which are important to young people, such as housing, reasonable working hours, quality public services (especially transportation) and a livable wage, most of which have been addressed with the standard “we can’t fix it unless we make sure the private sector can gouge us for it”. The issues of organized crime and their stranglehold on local economic activity (with near total impunity) have been better addressed than they were during Calderon’s term, but they’re still full of half measures at the best of times and young people are legitimately tired of the glacial pace of this administration.
There comes a point where cautious incrementalism reveals itself as stalling, darnos atole con el dedo, so to speak. That’s the reason the left wing protests a week prior were more succesful but they were just as much a protest against the US as they were about discontent with the Mexican government.
i troubles me when the mexican genz influencers on social media speak as neutrally as possible when talking about either morena or pan/pri/moviemento.
i get that they’re not trying to offend (and most of them say exactly this) but i wish they would adopt a more honest/genuine take like their mexican-american cousins do because they make their biases clear, where it’s easy to mistake the biases of the mexicans.
Some interesting points, but just pro government takes and minimizing real problems have with the admin.
Many do see reforms as stalling even as Sheinbaum has more unity of government branches. AMLOs take of abrazos no balazos was mixed and people still feel unsure.
She’s in a difficult position to be sure.
Of course there are legitimate problems and real tensions. When the US wants regime change, it never starts from scratch. It always leverages whatever fissures already exist.
When the US wants regime change
And statements such as those are trivializing and minimizing what they are saying. The institutions in Mexico are very weak and Morena has not done that much to fortify them. They now have even more judicial and legislative power too. People feel the influence of cartels is still too strong and government accountability too low. People don’t talk about the 43 anymore, but I don’t remember any clouse coming from it. But the main point is that simply being dismissive and saying the CIA is behind this is lazy and gross. I don’t even doubt that they are there, but still there are real issues here.
The institutions in Mexico are very weak and Morena has not done that much to fortify them. They now have even more judicial and legislative power too. People feel the influence of cartels is still too strong and government accountability too low.
Why do you suppose the institutions are so weak or the cartels exist at all, never mind having significant power? You get that the CIA has largely been managing the global illegal drug trade for decades, right? Those cartels are there because the US wanted them there. The Iran-Contra affair wasn’t an aberration but a peek behind the curtain of the everyday activities of US empire.
There are a lot of reasons why mexican institutions are weak. Does that mean we should dismiss grievances at their lack of transparency and accountability as the CIA because Morena happens to be in power? Cartel violence has infact terrorized Mexicans for decades now and have killed many other politicians before as well. Mind you the killing of a mayor and feeling that Morena is soft on cartel violence are some of the grievances of these protests. You and the article are deflecting on this and trivializing the pain of those who live there as just another CIA op (which note that I never said the CIA wouldn’t try and do something in some chaos). It is rather patronizing that westerners on this comm are trying to dismiss the whole thing.
Does that mean we should dismiss grievances at their lack of transparency and accountability as the CIA because Morena happens to be in power
Again, no one dismissed anything, so why are you still shadowboxing this strawman?
Your writing and tone is rather dismissive. Maybe you should put your pride to the side and read about what I am saying that there is much more happening here than just the CIA
Notice that I wrote about a Mayor and a 43? Those are morphing into a catch all of all kinds of violence and government and socity inability to reform. Not all of that has anything to do with the CIA.
Still the same strawman. No one said tgat every problem is caused by the CIA or that Mexico has no problems of its own, so why are you still arguing against a position that no one holds?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-planning-new-mission-mexico-cartels-current-forme-rcna241167 not lazy if true. Mexico doesn’t have a lot of experience in the matter, but many Latin countries do. Same playbook. It’s lazy to think it would work the fiftyeleventeenth time.
Do you want to point out where I said the US might not try something? Did you read the part where I am explaining that people have some unresolved issues?
It is rather patronizing to have westerners tell others “thats not the problem you are having this is the real issue. You have no problems with the current admin just with the CIA”.
Which is why I quoted you as saying it’s lazy. The president of the US has himself stated what the objective is. It’s not some hidden CIA plot.
And I didn’t say they wouldn’t try to do something, but I am calling out for dismissing the issues of people who live there and trivializing their grievances as just the CIA.
OK, but they’ve seen what the CIA does, and 70% support is not just not enough, but seemingly the reason why CIA would overthrow it. And I don’t see how it would be lazy of them to not turn their country into a slave trade.
It would be patronizing if we were actually telling them that.
Well the article and your comments dismissing much of the social tensions and just skipping to foreign interference does make the tone of your writing as telling them that
None of them have claimed such a thing. That’s just you putting words in their mouths and pretending to be their savior.
that’s because the foreign influence is at the heart of almost all of the issues that mexico is facing rn.
the institutions would be so weak for american capitalism didn’t force them to be and the cartles wouldn’t be so powerful if the cia/atf did help them so much.
It’s very relevant though. We deserve countries free from US interference. That’s not an excuse to pretend things are fine either, we still need to do the work, etc.
We deserve countries free from US interference.
We do. I am simply pointing out that my fellow lemms here are being dismissive of real issues by simply saying it is due to the CIA.
Not really, no. Everyone I know who’s anti US intervention here acknowledges that this government has fallen rather short in basically every regard concerning their opportunist left wing rhetoric. That doesn’t absolve the CIA and the US altogether from their responsibility in the perpetuation of such systems, they’re principally at fault for the problem and principally to blame for these astroturfed protests.
This has been their playbook for decades, they’ve done it rather recently in dozens of countries and they’re not even trying to be subtle about it. Can’t say I blame them, given that there’s clearly people stupid enough to go along with it.
you should also consider that one of those biggest problems – the cartels – would not be so successful if it weren’t for american intervention; either through training from the school of americas (i forget what it’s new name is now) or by literally giving them weaponry like they did the “fast and furious” program a few years ago or the iran contra much longer ago.
they didn’t grow to become powerful on their own and they continue to get support that the world won’t know about until the freedom of information act applies 25 years from now.
Anyone involved in or around the universities absolutely still talks about the 43, it’s still very important.
