I personally think the vote count itself is mostly legit, but its really the propaganda that’s the unfair aspect, not the conduct of the election in of itself.
You don’t need to rig the election if you can just blast fake news to uneducated voters all day. You can literslly do propaganda right in the open and its legallized election manipulation.
But I think the most important thing is.
Had electoral college not been a thing, Hillary would’ve been president on January 20, 2017, and none of the stuff on current timeline would’ve happened anyways. trump would never have been president, there would be no president biden (because there’s no way he’d challenge an incumbent in 2020 and 2024 he’s too old), and therefore there’d be no kamala harris nominee, since she’d never win a primary by herself without the stepping stone of being VP. Kamala Harris vs donald trump would not even been a thing. We’d have much better candidates.
2016 election loss for republicans would signal to them that extremist nationalist racist politics doen’t work and therefore they’d be forced to become more moderate and probably end up with an average status quo nominee. And thus, democrats would’ve been forced to nominate candidates that are further left leaning, instead of merely using “we’re not trump” as a platform. And we’d never have this current mess.
Trump has cheated at literally EVERYTHING he has ever done in his entire life. This election was the only thing standing between him and life in prison, and you think THIS was the one time in his entire life he would choose to operate fairly, without cheating? How are people in America still this STUPID?
Of course they flooded every type of media with overwhelming propaganda, but that doesn’t mean Musk’s team of hackers, and Putin’s team of hackers, and probably China’s team of hackers, weren’t all hard at work, too. He relied on the propaganda network in 2020, and lost. He pivoted to a multi-pronged strategy in 2024, and won.
All they had to do was change the results of one race in 7 states, and sure enough, those 7 states have an extremely high rate of ballots with straight Democratic tickets, with Trump at the top. There were so many of those voters, that it not only put Trump over the top on every single battleground state, but also won him the popular vote, the first time a Republican has won it since Reagan. He is easily the most reviled Republican in history, with an approval rating that never got above 40%, and yet somehow HE is the one to capture the popular vote? Please.
And yet, we’ve never met, seen, or heard from a single one of those split ticket voters. Not one. I’ve never seen one interviewed on TV, I’ve never seen one admit to being that type of voter. I’ve certainly never spoken with one. And yet there supposed to be MILLIONS of them. Where are they? Find me one.
They don’t exist. Musk/Putin/ etc., changed the top race on enough ballots to put Trump over the top. It’s so obvious, and yet Dems wants to stick their fingers in their ears, squeeze their eyes shut really hard, and yell “It was Fair & Square,” and be really smug about demonstrating to MAGA what a good loser and a peaceful transfer of power looks like.
Dems don’t mind losing. It makes them feel smug and superior to claim the high road, even if they lose.
The vote count is extremely suspect. There’s a group that is mathing it out district by district, and there’s a clear pattern that can be described by an algorithm
Clinton winning in 2016 would signal to the Democrats that neoliberalism was still in its prime. If anything, the candidates might be worse today. Biden was significantly less awful than expected, for example.
I’ve said this before in other threads, but we know that Donald Trump verifiably tried to cheat to stay in power in 2020, and when it was apparent that his cheating wasn’t working, he incited a mob to storm congress and interrupt the peaceful transition of power.
Why do people think that someone like that, who in 2024 had even less to lose by cheating and was faced with the prospect of real prison time if he did not win, would not attempt to cheat again? Especially when he was never punished for it the first time?
It blew my mind that the Democrats just accepted Harris’ loss without a fight.
It was only after Trump took office again and I observed the behavior of establishment Democrats that I realized they didn’t actually care and are on the same team. I saw those who would decry Trump at the top of the highest mountain but refuse to lift a finger to actually oppose him when they had the power to do so. Now I know they are complicit, and that a Trump presidency doesn’t hurt them, it benefits them. The opposition is just for show.
So, the Democrats probably knew Trump cheated and just let him. He would provide the perfect cover for them to conduct whatever kind of shady business they wanted while Trump makes headlines every single day for 4 years.
Thank you. Another person with decent Critical Thinking Skills.
I responded with pretty much the same thing, but you added an important element - the Dems really didn’t seem to mind their loss nearly as much as the citizens did, and I came to the same conclusions. Dems or MAGAs, they’re ALL getting paid by the same Sociopathic Oligarchs to offer as little resistance as possible. It’s all theater.
This country will never improve until money is removed from politics. Campaign Finance Reform is the one issue from which ALL issues flow, but both parties benefit by the current corrupt system, so they refuse to address the obvious elephant in the room.
It’s why I have been an Unaffiliated Independent since I first registered to vote in 1977. Both parties are terrible, and I don’t want to be in a position to defend or support either one.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason why she didn’t become president is the archaic electoral college.
I hate to tell you, but Kamala won the popular vote, too. MAGA cheated, and we ALL know it.
Eh… Maybe… Maybe not.
I personally think the vote count itself is mostly legit, but its really the propaganda that’s the unfair aspect, not the conduct of the election in of itself.
You don’t need to rig the election if you can just blast fake news to uneducated voters all day. You can literslly do propaganda right in the open and its legallized election manipulation.
But I think the most important thing is. Had electoral college not been a thing, Hillary would’ve been president on January 20, 2017, and none of the stuff on current timeline would’ve happened anyways. trump would never have been president, there would be no president biden (because there’s no way he’d challenge an incumbent in 2020 and 2024 he’s too old), and therefore there’d be no kamala harris nominee, since she’d never win a primary by herself without the stepping stone of being VP. Kamala Harris vs donald trump would not even been a thing. We’d have much better candidates.
2016 election loss for republicans would signal to them that extremist nationalist racist politics doen’t work and therefore they’d be forced to become more moderate and probably end up with an average status quo nominee. And thus, democrats would’ve been forced to nominate candidates that are further left leaning, instead of merely using “we’re not trump” as a platform. And we’d never have this current mess.
Trump has cheated at literally EVERYTHING he has ever done in his entire life. This election was the only thing standing between him and life in prison, and you think THIS was the one time in his entire life he would choose to operate fairly, without cheating? How are people in America still this STUPID?
Of course they flooded every type of media with overwhelming propaganda, but that doesn’t mean Musk’s team of hackers, and Putin’s team of hackers, and probably China’s team of hackers, weren’t all hard at work, too. He relied on the propaganda network in 2020, and lost. He pivoted to a multi-pronged strategy in 2024, and won.
All they had to do was change the results of one race in 7 states, and sure enough, those 7 states have an extremely high rate of ballots with straight Democratic tickets, with Trump at the top. There were so many of those voters, that it not only put Trump over the top on every single battleground state, but also won him the popular vote, the first time a Republican has won it since Reagan. He is easily the most reviled Republican in history, with an approval rating that never got above 40%, and yet somehow HE is the one to capture the popular vote? Please.
And yet, we’ve never met, seen, or heard from a single one of those split ticket voters. Not one. I’ve never seen one interviewed on TV, I’ve never seen one admit to being that type of voter. I’ve certainly never spoken with one. And yet there supposed to be MILLIONS of them. Where are they? Find me one.
They don’t exist. Musk/Putin/ etc., changed the top race on enough ballots to put Trump over the top. It’s so obvious, and yet Dems wants to stick their fingers in their ears, squeeze their eyes shut really hard, and yell “It was Fair & Square,” and be really smug about demonstrating to MAGA what a good loser and a peaceful transfer of power looks like.
Dems don’t mind losing. It makes them feel smug and superior to claim the high road, even if they lose.
The vote count is extremely suspect. There’s a group that is mathing it out district by district, and there’s a clear pattern that can be described by an algorithm
Clinton winning in 2016 would signal to the Democrats that neoliberalism was still in its prime. If anything, the candidates might be worse today. Biden was significantly less awful than expected, for example.
Worse than Trump? Not possible.
I’ve said this before in other threads, but we know that Donald Trump verifiably tried to cheat to stay in power in 2020, and when it was apparent that his cheating wasn’t working, he incited a mob to storm congress and interrupt the peaceful transition of power.
Why do people think that someone like that, who in 2024 had even less to lose by cheating and was faced with the prospect of real prison time if he did not win, would not attempt to cheat again? Especially when he was never punished for it the first time?
It blew my mind that the Democrats just accepted Harris’ loss without a fight.
It was only after Trump took office again and I observed the behavior of establishment Democrats that I realized they didn’t actually care and are on the same team. I saw those who would decry Trump at the top of the highest mountain but refuse to lift a finger to actually oppose him when they had the power to do so. Now I know they are complicit, and that a Trump presidency doesn’t hurt them, it benefits them. The opposition is just for show.
So, the Democrats probably knew Trump cheated and just let him. He would provide the perfect cover for them to conduct whatever kind of shady business they wanted while Trump makes headlines every single day for 4 years.
Thank you. Another person with decent Critical Thinking Skills.
I responded with pretty much the same thing, but you added an important element - the Dems really didn’t seem to mind their loss nearly as much as the citizens did, and I came to the same conclusions. Dems or MAGAs, they’re ALL getting paid by the same Sociopathic Oligarchs to offer as little resistance as possible. It’s all theater.
This country will never improve until money is removed from politics. Campaign Finance Reform is the one issue from which ALL issues flow, but both parties benefit by the current corrupt system, so they refuse to address the obvious elephant in the room.
It’s why I have been an Unaffiliated Independent since I first registered to vote in 1977. Both parties are terrible, and I don’t want to be in a position to defend or support either one.