• merc@sh.itjust.works
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    10 hours ago

    I expect that when Trump dies the “movement” will shatter. One of the main things Trump has done is to make sure that nobody can follow him. Everybody who has stood up to him now either bows to him or is irrelevant: Desantis, Pence, Liz Cheney, Rubio, Cruz, Christie, etc. Nobody is going to follow Vance once Trump dies. Some fraction of Republicans still like Tucker, Oreilly, Candace Owens, etc. but some hate them with a passion. There’s no way that they’re going to unite behind them.

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      It’s already fracturing and I put that up to Trump’s significant decline. Mapping the fault lines now can give us perspective on how things will fall out, because I agree, once Trump goes this thing falls apart.

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        9 hours ago

        The unfortunate thing is that democrats will most likely use the fracturing to cement their power. What would be much better is if it was used to get rid of first past the post voting, to put rules in place so that government institutions are non-political, make gerrymandering illegal, get rid of the electoral college, reform campaign financing to get the money out, etc. Instead the democrats are going to think “it’s our turn at the trough” and try to do everything possible to ensure they stay in power and get paid.

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          I’m not even sure Democrats can take back power with a fractured right, and if the current form of the Democratic party did take power, it would do almost nothing to stave off the waxing fascism in this country.

          The current leadership of the Democratic party is as core to how and why fascism is ascendent in this country as the actual fascists. It would have been practically impossible for what has already happened to occur with out this incredibly compliant “opposition” party, all the while with an electorate trained on ABWD media and a meme of “strategic voting” which never seems to accomplish its strategic goals.

          With out a strong, vociferously clear opposing vision of what to be as a country; without accountability, not just for the past year, the past 10 years, the failures of the Obama bank bailouts, which set all of this into motion, there is basically no point in putting Democrats into power, because every unearned push back to BAU or failure to address the genuine pain people feel as a result of ** both** Democratic and Republican policies, these failed launches as a resituating normalcy only further entrench and embolden fascists.

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            4 hours ago

            the failures of the Obama bank bailouts, which set all of this into motion

            I think it was more the temerity of Barack Obama for being born black that was a bigger issue.

            As for the rest, of course Democrats will take back power if the right fractures. In a first-past-the-post system with only 2 parties that’s just what happens. It doesn’t matter how incompetently run the parties are, as soon as one leaves power, the other gains it. They may do nothing useful with that power, and it might just be a short time before it swings back the other direction, but they’ll have power when the GOP collapses.

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              Bankers needed to go jail for life and homeowners are the ones who should have been bailed out. If Obama had taken a Rossellveltian strategy, they would have ushered in an era of Democratic rule like was done post WW2 (when America actually got a taste of social democracy). That coalition lasted for almost 40 years after WW2 because it focused on making a material difference in people’s lives and expanding the sphere of civil rights.

              Obama just, he’s not who he campaigns as.