House of Commons calls on Keir Starmer to condemn Donald Trump’s ‘interference’ in European politics

The US is engaging in “extreme rightwing tropes” with echoes of the 1930s and threatening “chilling” interference in European democracies, British MPs warned ministers on Thursday.

The House of Commons rounded on Donald Trump’s national security strategy, which stated that Europe was facing “civilisational erasure” and vowed to help the continent “correct its current trajectory and promote patriotic European parties”.

Matt Western, a Labour MP and chair of parliament’s joint committee on the UK government’s national security strategy, said: “The United States consensus that has led the western world since the second world war appears shattered.

  • PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    We know. We have to wait to see if we can take the Nazi’s away from the nuclear codes. With an election or if they are going to try undermining the elections. Then shit gets spicey.

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    accusing them of failing to control immigration

    Maybe stop flooding us with victims of your little wars and coups first?

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      They are not arresting people for social media. They aren’t monitoring citizens any more than most. Don’t get me wrong, the UK government is quite terrible. But comparing it to the US is a joke. We’re not involved in multiple daily ongoing constitutional crises

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      If by keeping losers who run their mouths with hate speech in check, then sure.

      UK and Germany kind of felt the worst effects of fascism and so have less tolerance for intolerance. This doesn’t seem like a bad thing.

      Don’t promote talking-points originating from far-right propaganda outlets. This isn’t when remotely the same as the blatantly unconstitutional Gestapo-like actions of ICE thugs going on in America. Friendly reminder this administration is actively trying to remove political satirist from television by leveraging their oversight of corporate mergers and the FCC. They succeeded with Colbert.

      Don’t forget all the publicly-funded universities that caved to pressure on bogus claims of antisemitism with protesters exercising their first amendment rights. Hell, some when tried to stop protests of Israel itself.

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        The popularity of Nigel Farage is a bad omen. For sure there is a lot of xenophobia and exceptionalism in UK. Not too far from what we saw made fascism grow out of control in USA. But you are right, it is not nearly the insanity we see in USA. At least not yet.
        But UK suffer the same democratic disease USA does, with a very flawed democracy.

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        I think comparing a full fleshed surveillance police state like the UK with Germany isn‘t the most upright of arguments. The UK grands much fewer personal rights and is further down the fascist pipeline I‘d say.

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        If by keeping losers who run their mouths with hate speech in check, then sure.

        Not how it works for either of them. How it actually works:

        Repressing fundamental rights such as free speech just facilitates backsliding to a repressive state.

        The advocates of repressive policies are only mildly inconvenienced or continue undeterred underground. The German AfD isn’t struggling. Far-right parties like Reform UK keep going. So, they fail to keep anyone in check while also undermining basic freedoms: good fucking job?

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          You raise valid points and I’m certainly opposed to the notion of non-violent Pro-Palestinian protesters being labeled a terrorist organization (no differently than Antifa in the US, or the absurdity of stopping campus protesters against Israel). I am curious what people’s thoughts here on laws that seek to prohibit minors from using social media, and how that differs from ensuring loopholes are cut to prevent minors from seeing porn.

          When I reacted to the other user’s comment, most of the rhetoric I was hearing was from disgruntled far-right extremists upset that islamophobes and various racist, sexist bigots were being held accountable on social media for hate speech, and even then the few instances they pointed to also basically dried up with either nothing or a proverbial slap on the wrist.

          On the flip-side, if we step back and look at this, none of what has been mentioned is really some indication that UK is on the doorstep of V for Vendetta-like dystopia. Put another way, preventing children’s access to porn – whether agreed with or not – has kind of been a presumed given, and only recently did it seem like a bunch of politicians became aware that it wasn’t actually restricted in the first place or something…

          On another note, when you cite, “penalizing vitriol, insults,” that article actually is in reference to combating Hate Speech and cyber-bullying in Germany, which is a bit different is it not? That is in reference to Intolerance to Intolerance, yeah? To that I mostly say good!

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            preventing children’s access to porn – whether agreed with or not – has kind of been a presumed given

            That’s entirely up to the parent.

            were being held accountable on social media for hate speech

            Free speech answers that, too. Expressing an opinion we disapprove of isn’t an exception to free speech: for that we can express our condemnation.

            Your hate speech rhetoric is a conceit built on the falsehood that simply hiding all the publicly visible indications of a problem solves the problem. Evidently, it’s not working & is readily exploited to abuse other rights. Censorship doesn’t change opinion: people are naturally free to think as they want & no force can compel them to change their mind.

            To quote someone else, the open exchange of ideas is valuable & necessary to facilitate minds to willingly change. Not needing to be suspicious of everyone hiding what they really think out of fear is valuable. Censorship powers are very tempting to abuse and the consequences of their abuse are terrible, therefore they should be strictly limited. Believing in free speech can just be understanding this stuff and having a bias against shutting people up as a go-to solution.

            none of what has been mentioned is really some indication that UK is on the doorstep of V for Vendetta-like dystopia

            Restricting private access to information while raising risk of identity fraud & abusing the rights of protesters with loose definitions of terrorism isn’t heading to your cartoonish idea of a dystopia?

            Maybe think back to history about oppressive institutions & how we overthrew them. What were those critical ideas underpinning the liberal institutions that replaced them? Oh right: fundamental human rights to liberty such as free speech & freedom of conscience.

            in reference to combating Hate Speech and cyber-bullying in Germany, which is a bit different is it not?

            Nope

            In 2015, a meme posted on Facebook falsely implied that Renate Künast, a prominent German politician, had said that every German should learn Turkish.

            Künast asked Meta to delete the false quotes attributed to her.

            In a landmark case last year, a German court ruled Meta had to remove all fake quotes attributed to Künast. Meta is appealing.

            and

            Last year David Bendels, a journalist, published a doctored photograph of Nancy Faeser, Germany’s interior minister, appearing to hold a sign saying Ich hasse die Meinungsfreiheit or “I hate freedom of opinion”. (The original photo, a reference to victims of Nazi atrocities, is shown above.) Such images are a dime a dozen on social media. Yet Ms Faeser seemed determined to prove Mr Bendels right. She filed a criminal complaint, and earlier this month a court handed Mr Bendels a seven-month suspended prison sentence, a hefty fine and an order to apologise.

            Finally, hateful words are still words. Has this generation forgotten how to handle words?

            Only cowards fear words. You have freedom of speech: use it.

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          And I’m simply answering that they’re really not, or at least not in the falsely-equivalent picture you painted with the US. USA is closer to Russia in terms of its fast-track to authoritarianism. UK? They’re engaging in what many here claim to support: no tolerance for intolerance.

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            “I Support Palestine Action” is not intolerance. Simply saying that publicly is an arrestable offense in the UK. They dropped from ‘Open’ to ‘Less Restrictive’ in the Global Expression Report, an outlier among the traditional Western countries. They’re not as bad as ‘roving bands of secret police’, but painting this as just a quest against intolerance is nonsense apologia.

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            I saw some news about it awhile back, and didn’t remember full details so was asking. Just going to delete the comment since its being taken the wrong way.

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    I’m just gonna start suing every media company for printing shit I said 10 years ago without my permission

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    Great catch there bud! If it weren’t for people like you, us Americans wouldn’t know for shit what is happening around us!