• jaybone@lemmy.zip
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    9 days ago

    LOL I don’t think people just suddenly became more gay over the last 80 years. This more likely reflects how people publicly identify and society’s acceptance and perceptions.

    I’d bet the distribution across the spectrum has been roughly the same since humans had the concept of such social constructs.

    • tomiant@piefed.social
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      8 days ago

      I like how people pretend that lots of kids aren’t using it as a means to profile themselves socially without actually being queer, because it’s the hip in-group thing to do.

      I have a nephew who came out as trans a couple of years ago. Literally nothing changed, looks the same, acts the same, dresses the same, behaves the same, only changed his name and gender randomly one day. And everyone has to accept that because not to do so would be a horrific crime against humanity for some reason.

      As if kids don’t make up dumb shit about themselves for attention, out of peer pressure, to fit in, as a fashion statement, to use as a shield to hide behind, to use as a moral superiority mechanism and berate others who don’t unconditionally accept whatever they say, or as a means to get sympathy.

      The discourse is pretty ridiculous. Is trans a real thing? Absolutely. Is “queer” a social movement that is subject to the same social psychological dynamics as literally all other cultural norms? Absolutely.

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        8 days ago

        The reason the discourse is so scuffed is because pro-trans advocates have had to dig their heels in so much because of the fact there are plenty of anti-trans advocates who would happily lynch trans people. It’s basically don’t give an inch or they’ll take a mile shit, which shouldn’t be a thing but they aren’t wrong either.

        As for teens doing that, eh worst case scenario they waste some time and effort resulting in something to embarrass them with in a couple years. Better to get the data and figure out why rather than skipping forward 20 years and realizing that’s why they were so miserable.

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          8 days ago

          Absolutely agreed on all points. Glad to see the reaction wasn’t knee-jerking calling me transphobic, because I’m anything but.

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        8 days ago

        I’m sure there are some that do this. Thats why I say I think the 25% is probably the accurate statistic. Kids will be kids and people are programmed to be social and do what needs to be done to fit in socially or they will be ostrosized from the village/pack. On the other hand I’m sure there are also plenty of people who will identity as cis. For similar social reasons or personal ones.

        Edit: wanted to add I think in second sentence

        Also like to add I feel @[email protected] is probably right