Be phone engineer
Finally manufacture one-atom thick phone
The screen is nearly entirely invisible due to its thinness
You can’t tap it anywhere or it immediately breaks into a million crumbs like filo dough
The components had to be spread over a 200 square meter sheet to fit all their atoms side by side
Present product to the board, instantly promoted to CEO
Product releases
Everyone buys the waferphone
“It’s so thin” say consumers
“Unparalleled convenience and an incredible feat of engineering” say reviewers
Third parties begin selling titanium insulation sheetcases to protect your waferphone
Too big and heavy to take outside, everyone stores their waferphones underground at waferlockers
All phones are now completely inaccessible remotely or physically
Technological nirvana attained at last
Two iPhone Airs sticked together for the price of two and a half. Great job 👏
I was actually looking at foldable phones a few weeks back, seems like 2 screens isn’t enough to make a difference, but 3 screens are. It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again. And it’s kind of a big deal because I’ve had iPhones since 2008.
I’m not disagreeing with you but whose phone do you plan on buying next? Pichai + Brin also bribed trump (they were at the inauguration alongside Tim Apple and others)
I don’t know yet. I’ll get a new phone when this one dies. The point is that I used to buy iPhones as default, and that is no longer the case. I wonder how many customers they lost like me - theoretically I could have been a life long customer.
don’t forget to not buy new. buy a used device whenever possible, unless you specifically want to support a particular company
Buy secondhand, especially if you still want iphones. Money goes to lower class (something like Facebook marketplace has no tax), no money to “less bad” competing companies, and you’ll get a much cheaper product which still has the “appleness” you want.
It makes huge difference. I’m on Fold since Fold 4 and would never go back to a slab phone mostly because I just read books or text web/social media. The square display is perfect for this as you get proper 80-120 character lines with large font and enough space for media etc.
It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
From the times when things were actually convenient to use. Buttons shouldn’t get random presses while the thing is in your pocket. Screens should be protected from scratches and dirt while in your pocket. It’s more compact when folded while in your pocket, while thicker, but an apple fits in my pocket, so thickness is not a problem.
Remind me what happened? Ah, yes, Steve Jobs went out on a stage and confused the hell out of millions of hamsters, telling them he’s brought them their Star Trek communicator. Well, that’s not what he said, but that’s what they heard and what he meant.
I’ve gotten used to making sure my hands are not sweaty when using a phone, and that it’s practically not usable when it’s cold and your fingers are not very precise, like when walking or when in a crowded place, and that you should be careful with that pocket to not occasionally unlock the thing and repost something personal into apartment building common WhatsApp chat, things like that.
But sometimes I recall that with a Motorola flip phone I could do everything with no loss of ability or speed in all these situations.
Not even talking about battery life.
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again.
Oh, that’s when.
So if wasn’t their overpriced cult bullshit that turned you off Apple. Well at least you drew the line at their endorsement of a felonious authoritarian pedo. Minimum possible bar cleared.
It too late for this product to succeed. If it isn’t absolutely perfect, it won’t matter that it’s great. It took so long to get here the public has unrealistic expectations now.
Meanwhile, the techbros and pretty much poisoned consumer electronics and everyone is looking for a way to jump ship.
I think we are going to see Linux phones get sales like the iPhone air did this year, which weren’t great for Apple but mean something very different for competition.
A 5.5” screen is way too small to be worth it. If this costs more than an an iPad + iPhone Pro, this thing is gonna flop more than the Vision Pro did.
I would like a feature where you fold an iphone into a linux phone.
I’m just looking for a device that can also perfectly hold my tacos
Gonna need to ask santa for that next year ;) you juuust missed the cutoff.
I’m quietly praying a certain launch goes so we’ll we see a steam phone eventually.
iPhones are too locked down for the hardware they have. I’m writing this on an iPhone 15 …
The foldable I like the most I’ve seen are the Motorola razrs. That’s vertical. The best fat foldables are going to be Android because of all the video game emulators for Android
I don’t understand the last sentence. All the video game emulators for Android compared to what OS? Because at this point, RetroArch emulates pretty much everything, and is available for Android and iOS. Running anything that needs hardware caching on iOS needs sideloading of course.
So what is it that makes the Android foldable experience better for emulators than, say, an iPad?
There are a few people that Apple would love to delete from the face of the planet.
Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman, who’s consistently divulging Apple’s plans, is one. TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who is always sharing information based on his supply chain checks, is high up on the list, too.
Apple uses Gurman for controlled leaks to build hype. He hasn’t been sued yet.
But YouTuber Jon Prosser is public enemy number one that Apple is trying to truly silence. And for good reason: the man who Apple sued in July for leaking iOS 26 and Liquid Glass keeps spoiling Apple’s unreleased products with high-quality 3D renders in his videos
Now Prosser, Apple definitely doesn’t use him for leaks since he is being sued. He’s just an idiot.
As with all hyped leaks- I’ll believe it when I see it.
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I like the idea of a foldable phone but what I really want is a phone that folds enough to fit in my women’s pants pockets.
The other solution is to make women’s pants with pockets that can actually hold things.
inconceivable!
They do, they’re just not skin tight. You can’t really fit much into a pocket in super tight jeans.
You’ve obviously never shopped for women’s clothes. Even sport shorts don’t have pockets, it’s absolutely ridiculous
I’ve literally seen pants that have what looks like pockets but when you actually check there no actual pockets there. It’s like they cut the hole, made the folds, then stitched them closed.
It blows my mind!
Yes and no… Women do complain about a lack of pockets, while simultaneously buying pants that physically don’t have room for pockets.
But on the other side of the same coin, women’s heavy duty cargo pants have smaller interior pockets too. Like the exterior pouch pockets may be the same/equivalent size, but the main front and back pockets are often still tiny. There’s no real way to rationalize that or blame women for it, because that’s the entire point of the pants, and there is 100% enough room for larger pockets in those baggier pants.
And no, they often can’t just buy men’s pants, because the cut is very different. Guys tend to have narrower hips and wider waists. Women wearing men’s pants will tend to have the waistband fit (but can’t get their hips into them) or be able to get their hips into the pants (but then need to cinch down the waist by a ridiculous and uncomfortable amount). Women’s pants tend to have more hip room and narrow waistbands, to account for that.
I am AFAB - been wearing mens pants for years and I don’t have a problem fitting into them. Probably largely depends on individual body shape and even then, taking measurements and matching it to the correct waistband/inseam size usually works out.
My crackpot conspiracy theory is that women’s pants pockets are smaller in order to force women to buy and use purses.
Even jeans that aren’t skin tight don’t have full pockets.
This is actually why I adore my Motorola razr. First phone I’ve had in I don’t know how many years that fits easily into the front pocket of my jeans and is relatively unnoticeable. Love the folding form factor.
Some of next years linux phones look quite compelling. Lora radios and powerful enough to pull off what canonical and Microsoft failed to do years ago.
If they succeed, it will be absolutely devastating to an industry that absolutely deserves to be slapped around. One device that transforms to fill multiple demands based on what you plug it into. It’s the continuum concept without Microsoft tripping over its own dick.
Can you link to some of the Linux phones you are talking about. My next phone will be a linux phone and it’s 9+ months out.
I don’t remember. There were 2 I recently saw, one with interchangeable gable bottom face plates and the other…I don’t remember. I don’t save them anymore since half of these damn things never materialize but there’s so much effort in that space now and literally the entire world fucking hates the techbros now so it’s going to happen.
Personally speaking, requirements for a phone now include a high resolution camera, NFC payments, some sort of screen mirroring for cars.
I had to revert from gOS because two of those were not working.
NFC payments are nice, but honestly I could use a case with a credit card shoved in it to get the same effect. A good camera is important, but the “screen mirroring” of Android Auto and Apple Car Play are hard to go without.
Especially since most modern cars don’t allow you to replace the stereo. I’ve got a double-din, I could mount a tablet or raspberry pi, setup some sort of a system to automatically turn on hotspot on bluetooth connect, sync my podcasts between phone and car, and I’d have something about 80% of the way there and about 90% more janky.
Wait your pants have pockets and they’re not vestigial
Most of them are. I can really only carry things in back pockets, but then it makes sitting awkward.
Or perhaps just get a pair of pants that doesn’t suck? Designing a phone around womens complete lack of self awareness seems not so good, it’s way to volatile.
I can see you don’t spent much time with women.
Women aren’t choosing pants with shitty pockets intentionally.
That’s the result of women choosing it over and over again…If women got to their senses and actually started NOT buying that junk, what do you think all the big mega corps producing tons and tons of clothes will do? Continue producing same shit clothes or adapting the factories to new, more reasonable clothes?
You’re wrong about why women’s clothes don’t have pockets. Women were never given a choice to buy clothing with pockets.
Initially, pockets were not accessible in women’s clothing due to the layers they were required to wear. After the suffragette movement when liberated women began to wear pants, designers intentionally kept pockets small to prop up the purse industry.
Handbags are one of the most profitable items in the fashion industry.
So we should just not wear pants until however long it takes to happen?
Or just buy the few that actually exists. Thanks to the internet, you can order from many locations, just using a small device that fits your palm. Matter of fact, these days you can place an order with your voice in many locations as well.
That is literally a Pixel Fold
I mean, do they even have a case against them? It’s not like they stole the information, or signed a contract with Apple.
Also, fuck Apple, and Google, and the rest of them. If they can’t keep a lid on their “secrets”, that’s on them.
I’m focusing on the lawsuit part, because IDGAF about new phones.
I’m prone to believing that a lot of those things presented as “leaks” are actually the company in question doing it by themselves behind the curtains - because let’s face it - people want sensationalism and they won’t shut up about something like that.
Someone forgot an unreleased phone at a bar? I call bullshit.
As if a foldable mobile was some kind of industry super secret anyway. Apple is a joke.
Assuming he’s right (and boy, being sued by apple is a huge boost to his credibility), they’re keeping the stupid camera bump thing from the air???
The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model
It does not surprise me that the Air is literally the folding phone without the second screen.
It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You’d think they’d revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it’s an odd feature to carry over.
It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.
Yes, those are all great points that make up a good portion of why they should probably revisit the design.
Or maybe stop trying to make expensive electronics as thin as possible.
Thin is fine. But you should use that newly free space for a bigger battery. It fits better in people’s hands that way too.
Exactly, and it’s easier to make them user serviceable that way too.
I’ve never understood the desire to make $1k+ electronics super thin, but then again I step on things a lot. I guess the fragility could be a form of planned obsolescence.
how do you propose removing it?
there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.
considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
making an extremely thick phone
lol how is 11mm extremely thick
how is it not?
You said so yourself.
If phone cases make the bump (and perceived problem) disappear, everyone must be using extremely thick phones already.
You can’t have both, not that I agree with 11mm being extremely thick anyway, case or not.
No thicker than very popular and successful phones from just 5 years ago. They can use the extra space for a larger battery, so they dont have to nerf performance to maintain stability in older phones. They can also use the space to restore repairability.
But probably not for a folding phone, since making both sides that thick will probably be too much.
Phones 5 years ago have lightyears worse cameras than phones today.
But their thickness can accomidate todays cameras.
…no they can’t. Do you realize just how thick modern camera bumps are? Even not including the bump phones nowadays are thicker than phones 5 years ago.
The iPhone X was 7.7mm thick. The iPhone 17 pro excluding the bump is 8.7.
Damn, I keep forgetting that the iphone X was already 5 years ago. 10 years ago then. There has been so little improvements in phones in the ladt 5 years, it all just blurs together.
I think the point is, we used to have phones that were 9mm+ thick. Iphone 4s and iphone 5c from Apple and Samsung Galaxy S3 and motorola G phones were all that thickness. They even had replacable batteries and expandable storage. Some of those were even waterproof despite all of that.
I think the main driver of impractical thinness has been marketing, planned obselecence and cost savings.
The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.
Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have met with anywhere near the same criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.
(The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone. What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?)
What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?
People really don’t seem to understand that in the electronics world, one single millimeter can make worlds of difference.
You absolutely can cram so much more stuff in “dumber” electronics, but phones are even more constricted in design, because they need to send and receive signals of different types, so feedback and signal noise are concerns.
Adding in even slightly more space allows for much better design, because you have more tolerances to reduce signal noise. It allows dozens of wires for camera sensors to route better. A 20% longer battery life. Heck, just being slightly more ergonomic and less droppable is a bonus to slightly thicker phones.
I didn’t even consider signal noise until I got into fpv drones and rc stuff, it can mame a ton of difference if you have a single wire 2mm out of place. (and crash your drone because the motor interfered with your antenna)
Thiner≠better.
Wildly appropriate username here. Also, 100% correct.
are you talking about the Air? last time i checked all iphone models have a camera bump.
The marketing had nothing to do with it not selling. Pick one up, yeah it’s thin but it’s also a bar of soap to hold. Plus a ton of deal breaking trade off like less battery life and poor camera system compared to the alternative iPhone 17s/Pros.
Lol “extremely thick phone”. Get that apple boot, you got it to your gills this time. Only when it’s razor thin and cuts the hands of the unworthy will then your lust be satisfied.
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I mean, being stupid thin is something that a foldable phone has to be, so that it ends up being normal-ish thickness when folded. So it tracks that they’d design it like their ultra-thin phone.
But it’s not stupid thin, it’s got a giant lump on it?
Thinness should be defined by it’s thickest point.
No no is clearly the thinnest iPhone ever, just look at it, can’t see anything wrong calling it that. So thin. Amazing, how can apple do such a marvel of engineering.
I know better cameras demand more space, but you cant claim your phone is thin with them. Not that I think thin phones are useful, pointless gimmick.
5.6 - 9 - 5.6
hip - waist - bustIf it’s good enough for girls it’s good enough for phones
I’ve never heard a girl use those measurements.
Women, however, use them frequently enough.
Sorry for being pedantic but it rubs me the wrong way when people refer to women as “girls”
Edit: Guess this part of lemmy is cool with infantilizing women. Didn’t know people around here were cool with sharing traits with pedophiles, but here we are.
How do you feel about cunts?
While noble, that was a tongue in cheek diminutive and I was including myself in that category.
The stupid camera bump thing they totally didn’t steal from Google
Edit: Yes, I’m totally butthurt about that guys. Fuck Tim Apple!!11
are we really going to start counting who stole what in all smartphone design.
“These assholes included an antenna and SIM slot again!?! HTC did that last season. So unoriginal.”
I wish they still included a SIM card slot.
Wait, how the fuck do you have a GSM phone with no Sim card slot?
eSIM. It is an integrated chip on the device.
100% of the phones I purchase include the SIM slot. No joke.
I want even aware iPhone users lost this ability with the iPhone 14 and beyond, until your remark. I’m so sorry. :(
It’s not just iPhone anymore. Pixel 10 removed the SIM card as well.
Idk, explaining how the crap iPhone is 99 % IP theft doesn’t really lead anywhere.
I sort of assumed that these days design patents are mostly ignored by smartphone companies.
After a while it just makes sense to drop the legal stuff and stop wasting money on constant lawsuits.
Man anyone else remember the Nexus 6P?
This folding iPhone also looks like the Pixel Fold
