End of the day, you believe that a few hundred shooting deaths per year are a price worth paying for your gun fetish. Just out and say it “I don’t care how many people die, I like guns”.
Now say that with alcohol replacing it. Also with drownings… because those kill more people /children, than with all rifles combined.
Go ahead and say it.
“I don’t care about people dying, just how they are killed because that’s what I’m afraid of. And I’d rather disarm minorities and the populous while fascist are in power, because they’re not coming after me. I’m a white male.”
My guess is this was a handgun, and he had no criminal record. My guess is there was no gun safety required or taken, but this still may have happened and it’s tragic. But as for school shooting, criminal, and gang violence, there’s a shit ton of laws that could make it more difficult and less likely, without taking away the right for self defense.
What laws will do that? You know it’s illegal to convert a firearm that’s semi-auto to automatic? Yet gangs and kids who aren’t even allowed to own them, post videos of their handguns online, and the ATF and local law enforcement doesn’t do shit about it. So I’d love to hear you’re thoughts on what laws would curb gang violence and school shootings.
Just dipping in here to say that you’re going on my block list because you argue like a little weasel with qualifiers like “all rifles” because you know that otherwise your argument is shit.
We’re all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren’t doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you’re ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don’t care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s… they’re pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings
Reality, from 2022
Firearms were the leading cause of death for children and teenagers in the United States for the third consecutive year, and homicides accounted for the majority of gun deaths among the age group, a new report found
Yep. Age 15 to 17 is the majority of those deaths, and the majority of those are from gang violence…aka the murders you don’t care about, because you and everyone else points out school kids.
Also that’s outdated. Cars are the number 1 cause of death in kids again. Only reason it was guns was because of covid and no one traveling.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up.
Where did I say that? Murder is already illegal. You gonna make it double illegal?
Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem,
I’ve already explained the problem, you keep focusing on the tool used. More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined. Yet $100 says you support another pointless AWB dont you?
which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise."
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation.
Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent.
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body’s of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn’t realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people?
Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0. Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let’s face, there were probably more)
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it’s not.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I’d expect action.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
It doesn’t really matter why though. A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available. Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it. A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart. The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body’s of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn’t realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
So far your body if lawmakers have failed.
So you’re end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people…and the criminals will still keep theirs.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people?
Removing suicides, DGUs and cops killing us(1k a year)… you’re left with around 11k deaths homicide wise.
Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0.
Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.
Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let’s face, there were probably more)
And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this…
Also, we’re not at the ammo box stage yet. You don’t start a war when you have voting options left.
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
Yea because how someone is murdered doesn’t matter…cause only guns count right? You snap your fingers and magically make the guns vanish and…you really think that people are just gonna stop being violent and killing each other?
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it’s not.
We were talking about kids, and more kids die from drowning than from school shootings, but you want guns banned because…kids die? If we’re going to use your logic then pools probably should go first.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I’d expect action.
Yep, and it’s mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that. It’s only when a school gets shot up. Which means you’re assuming that taking the guns away is going to stop people from murdering each other…and they’re not going to use some other means.
It doesn’t really matter why though.
It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment. Most of which is gang/drug violence. Which is grown from people who don’t have safety nets or support systems to help get out of the loop.
A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available.
Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn’t have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.
Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it.
Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I’ll give you a hint, it’s 4xs higher than all rifles.
A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart.
You’ve never fired a gun have you? It’s not a 1 shot kill machine. Do you really think that someone who’s stabbing someone stops and thinks “I shouldn’t do this”…
The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
There is no comparable country. That’s the problem.
So you’re end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people…and the criminals will still keep theirs.
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation
I am literally responding to the question you proposed. But yes, a total ban seems most prudent.
The key difference, as I already said, is intent. People aren’t setting out with the intention to get drunk, drive and kill someone. So yes, we should do more to prevent drunk driving. There is a lot more that can be done. Why do we have to pick between reducing drunk driving and reducing murder. As you already said, we’re never going to eliminate murder,bit we can make it harder.
And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this… ;Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn’t have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.
If he didn’t gave access to a gun, he wouldn’t have shot her. Anything beyond that is speculation. But in my opinion, whilst abusive men best their partners to death with depressing frequency, the majority stop somewhere short of actual murder. Whereas when they grab a gun, it tends to end in death. Guns are th great equaliser? So like I said before, this woman should have been sitting on the sofa with a loaded gun at Christmas? Just in case? Guns used in self defence are a myth, the overwhelming majority are used by an aggressor.
It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment.
Exactly, spur of the moment. And when that moment passes, people change their mind. Relatively few murders are actually planned, and when the ‘passion’ fades so does the desire to kill.
Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I’ll give you a hint, it’s 4xs higher than all rifles.
What the fuck are you even trying say with your cherry picked statistic here? From your own statistics page, undisclosed firearms make up more deaths than every other non forearm category combined. All firearm combined make up 15x the combination of every non firearms category.
Do you really think that someone who’s stabbing someone stops and thinks “I shouldn’t do this”…
Yes. Extensive research into the knife crime ‘epidemic’ in London has shown this happens in about 75% of cases where one person had an knife and intended to stab another.
There is no comparable country. That’s the problem.
Ah American exceptionalism. To go with your personal exceptionalism. The beliefbthst you are special, and deserve to keep you guns, no matter the cost to society as a whole.
Yep, and it’s mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that.
He says, whilst dismissing it. I care about it. Hence including it in my statistics.
Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.
Moving the goalposts. You were talking about how you need a gun to protect yourself from the fascists in power. Well, they’re still in power. And getting more power everyday. And the only ones using their guns are… The fascists.
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Yea prohibition worked really well.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
You don’t get rid of pools because people drown, you make sure people can swim, and that their are lifeguards watching.
In the case with firearms. There are already shit loads of laws in place. They clearly don’t have the effect you think they do. Instead of spending political capital on a lost cause, you could instead focus on the why it happens. Single payer healthcare, better funding for schools, making sure children don’t turn to gangs because their parent or parents are working 3 jobs to keep some sort of roof over there heads. There is a massive amount of things that can be done that would curb the guns deaths in this country, that don’t require more dumbass laws from people who don’t understand the why.
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
You can buy a car at any age, with no insurance, in cash and transport it via state lines with no problems. Can’t do that with a gun.
Drugs??? So you agree with the war on drugs which has done nothing but turn our country into a prison state? Bit odd…
Drinking, just need to be 21… nothing more…
Poison warnings? Lol the fuck
I’ll ignore that last bit cause I see you’re unable to actually defend the shit you think is right by throwing personal insults at me.
Prohibition is entirely irrelevant, I never said to ban Alcohol i said it should be far more restrictive. Yet we do still have laws restricting alcohol like you point out, with it being you need to be 21. You can also look at car related deaths due to alcohol, compare a lax laws and restrictive state like Wisconsin versus Minnesota, which has far more consequences for drinking while driving.
You don’t get rid of guns, you heavily restrict them, require a purpose, and also have to adhere to quite a few rules for the privilege. Our current firearm laws are an absolute joke, and the gun death/crime rate shows. There actually are quite a few examples that you could look at, for instance Switzerland has a comparable gun ownership percent. Yet they don’t have school shootings, gun violence, and all the other problems that USA does.
I really really wonder why that is. I personally don’t care to argue with you, because no matter how many sources or stats that I showed you, you would never care. So, if you actually cared about gun safety and having proper restrictions and laws on them, go look at literally any other country and how they handle guns, because this is such a uniquely American problem with such an easy solution that you just don’t want to accept.
Prohibition is entirely irrelevant, I never said to ban Alcohol i said it should be far more restrictive. Yet we do still have laws restricting alcohol like you point out, with it being you need to be 21.
Cool, you ever try buying a firearm? It’s a lot easier to get alcohol. No law you can dream up, short of an entire ban and then a forced door to door confiscation is going to stop violent people from being violent. Even if you did pull it off, they’ll still use knives, hammers, their fists, their cars.
You can also look at car related deaths due to alcohol, compare a lax laws and restrictive state like Wisconsin versus Minnesota, which has far more consequences for drinking while driving.
Lol that shit isn’t stopping anyone from driving drunk, murder is already illegal, it doesn’t stop people from doing it.
You don’t get rid of guns, you heavily restrict them, require a purpose, and also have to adhere to quite a few rules for the privilege.
And how do you propose that? You know how many firearms are in civ hands in the USA? 450+ million.
Our current firearm laws are an absolute joke, and the gun death/crime rate shows.
66+% is suicide. 5% is domestic violence, 5% cops killing people, 14% homicides, 10% is the rest, DGUs, accidents, etc.
There actually are quite a few examples that you could look at, for instance Switzerland has a comparable gun ownership percent. Yet they don’t have school shootings, gun violence, and all the other problems that USA does.
Yes because I forgot how much Switzerland doesn’t have any safety nets at all. And they have a huge issue with people becoming homeless and gang violence as well. Yep totally comparable.
I really really wonder why that is.
You know why it is. You just want to burry your head in the sand and scream it’s the guns…and not the example you just gave that says otherwise.
I personally don’t care to argue with you, because no matter how many sources or stats that I showed you, you would never care.
Considering all the stats in the world will not magically prove anything, because the US is not comparable to any of the countries you would call out. Because the countries you will try and use have safety nets and give a shit about their citizens. Just like you’re about to do…
So, if you actually cared about gun safety and having proper restrictions and laws on them, go look at literally any other country and how they handle guns, because this is such a uniquely American problem with such an easy solution that you just don’t want to accept.
Yup, like I said.
Here’s one for you. Brazil or Mexico. Civ gun laws banned. Go tell me how little firearm homicides they have. I’ll wait.
I don’t think anyone believes those are ‘worth it’ because of a fetish over guns. I think if people do think that, the pro is usually the ability to defend yourself
No one is saying that. Multiple people in this thread have pointed out that we need mental health reform, and other safety nets, so this woman and her 13 yo daughter didn’t feel like they had to stay with this crazy fuck for food and shelter.
End of the day, you believe that a few hundred shooting deaths per year are a price worth paying for your gun fetish. Just out and say it “I don’t care how many people die, I like guns”.
Now say that with alcohol replacing it. Also with drownings… because those kill more people /children, than with all rifles combined.
Go ahead and say it.
“I don’t care about people dying, just how they are killed because that’s what I’m afraid of. And I’d rather disarm minorities and the populous while fascist are in power, because they’re not coming after me. I’m a white male.”
My guess is this was a handgun, and he had no criminal record. My guess is there was no gun safety required or taken, but this still may have happened and it’s tragic. But as for school shooting, criminal, and gang violence, there’s a shit ton of laws that could make it more difficult and less likely, without taking away the right for self defense.
What laws will do that? You know it’s illegal to convert a firearm that’s semi-auto to automatic? Yet gangs and kids who aren’t even allowed to own them, post videos of their handguns online, and the ATF and local law enforcement doesn’t do shit about it. So I’d love to hear you’re thoughts on what laws would curb gang violence and school shootings.
Just dipping in here to say that you’re going on my block list because you argue like a little weasel with qualifiers like “all rifles” because you know that otherwise your argument is shit.
People want black scary rifles banned… that’s why there is a qualifier in there, but guess this won’t matter because you’ve blocked me lol
What kind of stupid fucking argument is that?
We’re all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren’t doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you’re ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don’t care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s… they’re pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
You, cherry picking
Reality, from 2022
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/13/guns-children-teenagers-united-states-report/75198121007/
Yep. Age 15 to 17 is the majority of those deaths, and the majority of those are from gang violence…aka the murders you don’t care about, because you and everyone else points out school kids.
Also that’s outdated. Cars are the number 1 cause of death in kids again. Only reason it was guns was because of covid and no one traveling.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Where did I say that? Murder is already illegal. You gonna make it double illegal?
I’ve already explained the problem, you keep focusing on the tool used. More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined. Yet $100 says you support another pointless AWB dont you?
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body’s of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn’t realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people? Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0. Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let’s face, there were probably more)
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it’s not.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I’d expect action.
It doesn’t really matter why though. A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available. Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it. A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart. The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
So far your body if lawmakers have failed.
So you’re end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people…and the criminals will still keep theirs.
12k~ people a year are killed by drunk drivers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving
Removing suicides, DGUs and cops killing us(1k a year)… you’re left with around 11k deaths homicide wise.
Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.
And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this…
Also, we’re not at the ammo box stage yet. You don’t start a war when you have voting options left.
Yea because how someone is murdered doesn’t matter…cause only guns count right? You snap your fingers and magically make the guns vanish and…you really think that people are just gonna stop being violent and killing each other?
We were talking about kids, and more kids die from drowning than from school shootings, but you want guns banned because…kids die? If we’re going to use your logic then pools probably should go first.
Yep, and it’s mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that. It’s only when a school gets shot up. Which means you’re assuming that taking the guns away is going to stop people from murdering each other…and they’re not going to use some other means.
It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment. Most of which is gang/drug violence. Which is grown from people who don’t have safety nets or support systems to help get out of the loop.
Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn’t have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.
Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I’ll give you a hint, it’s 4xs higher than all rifles.
You’ve never fired a gun have you? It’s not a 1 shot kill machine. Do you really think that someone who’s stabbing someone stops and thinks “I shouldn’t do this”…
There is no comparable country. That’s the problem.
I am literally responding to the question you proposed. But yes, a total ban seems most prudent.
The key difference, as I already said, is intent. People aren’t setting out with the intention to get drunk, drive and kill someone. So yes, we should do more to prevent drunk driving. There is a lot more that can be done. Why do we have to pick between reducing drunk driving and reducing murder. As you already said, we’re never going to eliminate murder,bit we can make it harder.
If he didn’t gave access to a gun, he wouldn’t have shot her. Anything beyond that is speculation. But in my opinion, whilst abusive men best their partners to death with depressing frequency, the majority stop somewhere short of actual murder. Whereas when they grab a gun, it tends to end in death. Guns are th great equaliser? So like I said before, this woman should have been sitting on the sofa with a loaded gun at Christmas? Just in case? Guns used in self defence are a myth, the overwhelming majority are used by an aggressor.
Exactly, spur of the moment. And when that moment passes, people change their mind. Relatively few murders are actually planned, and when the ‘passion’ fades so does the desire to kill.
What the fuck are you even trying say with your cherry picked statistic here? From your own statistics page, undisclosed firearms make up more deaths than every other non forearm category combined. All firearm combined make up 15x the combination of every non firearms category.
Yes. Extensive research into the knife crime ‘epidemic’ in London has shown this happens in about 75% of cases where one person had an knife and intended to stab another.
Ah American exceptionalism. To go with your personal exceptionalism. The beliefbthst you are special, and deserve to keep you guns, no matter the cost to society as a whole.
He says, whilst dismissing it. I care about it. Hence including it in my statistics.
Moving the goalposts. You were talking about how you need a gun to protect yourself from the fascists in power. Well, they’re still in power. And getting more power everyday. And the only ones using their guns are… The fascists.
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
Yea prohibition worked really well.
You don’t get rid of pools because people drown, you make sure people can swim, and that their are lifeguards watching.
In the case with firearms. There are already shit loads of laws in place. They clearly don’t have the effect you think they do. Instead of spending political capital on a lost cause, you could instead focus on the why it happens. Single payer healthcare, better funding for schools, making sure children don’t turn to gangs because their parent or parents are working 3 jobs to keep some sort of roof over there heads. There is a massive amount of things that can be done that would curb the guns deaths in this country, that don’t require more dumbass laws from people who don’t understand the why.
You can buy a car at any age, with no insurance, in cash and transport it via state lines with no problems. Can’t do that with a gun.
Drugs??? So you agree with the war on drugs which has done nothing but turn our country into a prison state? Bit odd…
Drinking, just need to be 21… nothing more…
Poison warnings? Lol the fuck
I’ll ignore that last bit cause I see you’re unable to actually defend the shit you think is right by throwing personal insults at me.
Prohibition is entirely irrelevant, I never said to ban Alcohol i said it should be far more restrictive. Yet we do still have laws restricting alcohol like you point out, with it being you need to be 21. You can also look at car related deaths due to alcohol, compare a lax laws and restrictive state like Wisconsin versus Minnesota, which has far more consequences for drinking while driving.
You don’t get rid of guns, you heavily restrict them, require a purpose, and also have to adhere to quite a few rules for the privilege. Our current firearm laws are an absolute joke, and the gun death/crime rate shows. There actually are quite a few examples that you could look at, for instance Switzerland has a comparable gun ownership percent. Yet they don’t have school shootings, gun violence, and all the other problems that USA does.
I really really wonder why that is. I personally don’t care to argue with you, because no matter how many sources or stats that I showed you, you would never care. So, if you actually cared about gun safety and having proper restrictions and laws on them, go look at literally any other country and how they handle guns, because this is such a uniquely American problem with such an easy solution that you just don’t want to accept.
Cool, you ever try buying a firearm? It’s a lot easier to get alcohol. No law you can dream up, short of an entire ban and then a forced door to door confiscation is going to stop violent people from being violent. Even if you did pull it off, they’ll still use knives, hammers, their fists, their cars.
Lol that shit isn’t stopping anyone from driving drunk, murder is already illegal, it doesn’t stop people from doing it.
And how do you propose that? You know how many firearms are in civ hands in the USA? 450+ million.
66+% is suicide. 5% is domestic violence, 5% cops killing people, 14% homicides, 10% is the rest, DGUs, accidents, etc.
There actually are quite a few examples that you could look at, for instance Switzerland has a comparable gun ownership percent. Yet they don’t have school shootings, gun violence, and all the other problems that USA does.
Yes because I forgot how much Switzerland doesn’t have any safety nets at all. And they have a huge issue with people becoming homeless and gang violence as well. Yep totally comparable.
You know why it is. You just want to burry your head in the sand and scream it’s the guns…and not the example you just gave that says otherwise.
Considering all the stats in the world will not magically prove anything, because the US is not comparable to any of the countries you would call out. Because the countries you will try and use have safety nets and give a shit about their citizens. Just like you’re about to do…
Yup, like I said.
Here’s one for you. Brazil or Mexico. Civ gun laws banned. Go tell me how little firearm homicides they have. I’ll wait.
I don’t think anyone believes those are ‘worth it’ because of a fetish over guns. I think if people do think that, the pro is usually the ability to defend yourself
So what, this woman and her 13 Yr old should have been strapped? Whilst chilling on the sofa on Christmas eve? Then this never would have happened!
+1 on the other reply. It’s more of a general, common idea than something applicable to this scenario
No one is saying that. Multiple people in this thread have pointed out that we need mental health reform, and other safety nets, so this woman and her 13 yo daughter didn’t feel like they had to stay with this crazy fuck for food and shelter.
Yes.