What we are describing here is effectively mutiny, just with an officially sanctioned way to justify it with a paper trail after the dust has settled. And like with any mutiny, it all comes down to the collective strength of the mutineers. If the captain understood that the CMO was just staging a mutiny, and the majority of officers onboard were behind the CMO for whatever reason, there is not really anything the captain can do about it in the moment.
Well now we’re talking about a mutiny and I don’t see why the officers would side with a CMO committing mutiny, if anything they’d almost certainly side with the captain. We would need an elaborate plot to substantiate the CMO successfully rallying star fleet officers to commit a mutiny.
The captain can simply relieve the CMO for cause, promote another medical officer, and that would be that.
I mean that “the CMO illegitimately declaring officers medically unfit” is, in all reality, just mutiny if the end goal is to take command. And like any mutiny, the success of that ploy depends on enough of the crew choosing to back the ploy.
The captain can simply relieve the CMO for cause, promote another medical officer, and that would be that.
At that point, it still comes down to who the crew sides with. If they think the “real” CMO is in the right, then they will not recognize the “new” CMO as legitimate, and back up the “real” CMO’s decision to relieve the captain of duty. If they instead believe that the “real” CMO is not in the right, they will recognize the authority of the “new” CMO and not consider the captain to be relieved of duty.
Well now we’re talking about a mutiny and I don’t see why the officers would side with a CMO committing mutiny, if anything they’d almost certainly side with the captain.
i don’t think you understand what mutiny is. it is a situation where the mutineers do not side with the captain 😂 and it can happen for like infinite number of reasons.
Just also quote the part where I said we’d need an elaborate plot to have the CMO create a mutiny that officers go along with. Then there wouldn’t be any confusion
not really much elaboration needed. you just need the crew to be pissed at the captain, that is quite a simple plot. mutinies have happened in the past, they are not a science fiction.
Sure except this is Star Fleet, which is science fiction, so we have every reason to assume that a mutiny would only occur for good reason, like when Kirk was possessed. An evil CMO trying to illegitimately seize power would indeed require an elaborate plot.
The word “mutiny” just means that an insurrection took place; it does not imply success or failure. A 1-person mutiny is still a mutiny, even if the odds of success are minimal.
Both this and the opposite example where the CMO declares the captain unfit but the rest of the crew are still loyal and follow the captain as i I believe actually happened to Janeway.
I also think that any bridge officier ranks above CMO to become captain in an emergency situation. So they would need to discharge all bridge officers and trust that they will all comply in order to become captain themselves.
What we are describing here is effectively mutiny, just with an officially sanctioned way to justify it with a paper trail after the dust has settled. And like with any mutiny, it all comes down to the collective strength of the mutineers. If the captain understood that the CMO was just staging a mutiny, and the majority of officers onboard were behind the CMO for whatever reason, there is not really anything the captain can do about it in the moment.
Well now we’re talking about a mutiny and I don’t see why the officers would side with a CMO committing mutiny, if anything they’d almost certainly side with the captain. We would need an elaborate plot to substantiate the CMO successfully rallying star fleet officers to commit a mutiny.
The captain can simply relieve the CMO for cause, promote another medical officer, and that would be that.
Lets be real here, Mutiny is like a 200-level course at the Academy
I mean that “the CMO illegitimately declaring officers medically unfit” is, in all reality, just mutiny if the end goal is to take command. And like any mutiny, the success of that ploy depends on enough of the crew choosing to back the ploy.
At that point, it still comes down to who the crew sides with. If they think the “real” CMO is in the right, then they will not recognize the “new” CMO as legitimate, and back up the “real” CMO’s decision to relieve the captain of duty. If they instead believe that the “real” CMO is not in the right, they will recognize the authority of the “new” CMO and not consider the captain to be relieved of duty.
i don’t think you understand what mutiny is. it is a situation where the mutineers do not side with the captain 😂 and it can happen for like infinite number of reasons.
Sure, but the point is that not all of the officers are necessarily mutineers themselves.
yes, that is true for absolute majority of officers in absolute majority of crews, both real and imaginary.
the mutiny happens when there is enough mutineers to take control. if there is not enough of them, then there is no mutiny.
Just also quote the part where I said we’d need an elaborate plot to have the CMO create a mutiny that officers go along with. Then there wouldn’t be any confusion
not really much elaboration needed. you just need the crew to be pissed at the captain, that is quite a simple plot. mutinies have happened in the past, they are not a science fiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mutinies
Sure except this is Star Fleet, which is science fiction, so we have every reason to assume that a mutiny would only occur for good reason, like when Kirk was possessed. An evil CMO trying to illegitimately seize power would indeed require an elaborate plot.
The word “mutiny” just means that an insurrection took place; it does not imply success or failure. A 1-person mutiny is still a mutiny, even if the odds of success are minimal.
Both this and the opposite example where the CMO declares the captain unfit but the rest of the crew are still loyal and follow the captain as i I believe actually happened to Janeway.
I also think that any bridge officier ranks above CMO to become captain in an emergency situation. So they would need to discharge all bridge officers and trust that they will all comply in order to become captain themselves.