Lemmy isn’t using an algorithm to serve me anger inducing content or users, yet that’s usually the most active content. People are the problem and detoxing is little more than a band aid.
The human brain is susceptible to engagement bait. There are different flavors of bait, but some of the ones that are most effective need to simultaneously avoid triggering moderation (whether automated or human) while jumping out of the containment of only people who subscribe to the person or place where it was created.
So a post that is sexy might encounter too much resistance to sharing from people’s NSFW filters (and reluctance to share nsfw content with people they actually know in real life).
A post that is interesting or funny or fun might get spread around, but is hard to replicate and takes a lot of effort to get right.
That leaves posts that trigger people’s responses, whether they feel compelled to correct a grammatical error or angrily correct a factual error, or vociferously defend an idea that isn’t being treated fairly. The comments themselves breed engagement as the commenters then interact with each other, and the commenters keep coming back to the same post to see whether new comments have been posted. Anger and pedantry are the types of bait that work best on most platforms.
None of this is inherently corporate or profit-motivated, so it would be naive to assume that only for-profit corporate platforms would have that stuff.
Don’t sort by active, only use custom feed, block communities which only contain “anger inducing” content, block people who post “anger inducing” content.
Yep, actively moderating your own content, curating your own feed… that’s the solution.
It worked on reddit for a long time, untill the powermods went totally nuts and the massive waves of paid trolls and bots invaded.
It still works with RSS feeds, which I guess is just technology we are all supposed to forget exists, because its built for a paradigm of many people having many personal websites, as opposed to many people all being on maybe 4 big websites.
If corpos weren’t evil, they’d expose their recommendation algorithms and just allow you to tweak its parameters, for yourself, so you could do your own advanced curation.
But that would make them about as much money as a dating app with no supscription nor signup fees, so, its a non starter.
What the fuck did you just say about me, you little shit-lemming, I graduated top of my class in The Art of Fediverse Debates and I have over 300 confirmed [removed by mod].
I can win a debate in over 9000 ways, and that’s only considering text, not only do I have access to the dankest arsenal of Leftist Memes, but I also have control of a massive army of bot accounts¹ ready to brigade you and downvote you into lemm-blivion.
That’s kind of cliché, honestly. It’s a common assumption that in reality doesn’t necessarily always hold true. It may even be an appeal ad populum.
The easiest counterexample is to say that it’s entirely possible to be surrounded by assholes, while being one of a few people who isn’t a jerk (perhaps being loosely defined as someone who makes an effort to be respectful and considerate of others, an increasingly rare characteristic).
If we reject that claim, then it makes it virtually impossible to make a valid social critique, as it gives a free pass to anything that’s a collective responsibility or widespread issue. If the norm is to be a jerk, then the culpability would rest on anyone who resists conformity, according to that logic.
It also normalizes abusive behavior. Often an abuser will push their victim past the breaking point, then use the result to smear the victim in the public eye, making the victim look like the bad one. Or on a larger scale, in an oppressive society, it would make the only ones willing to stand up look like the bad guys, making it a convenient tool of oppression.
Lemmy isn’t using an algorithm to serve me anger inducing content or users, yet that’s usually the most active content. People are the problem and detoxing is little more than a band aid.
The human brain is susceptible to engagement bait. There are different flavors of bait, but some of the ones that are most effective need to simultaneously avoid triggering moderation (whether automated or human) while jumping out of the containment of only people who subscribe to the person or place where it was created.
So a post that is sexy might encounter too much resistance to sharing from people’s NSFW filters (and reluctance to share nsfw content with people they actually know in real life).
A post that is interesting or funny or fun might get spread around, but is hard to replicate and takes a lot of effort to get right.
That leaves posts that trigger people’s responses, whether they feel compelled to correct a grammatical error or angrily correct a factual error, or vociferously defend an idea that isn’t being treated fairly. The comments themselves breed engagement as the commenters then interact with each other, and the commenters keep coming back to the same post to see whether new comments have been posted. Anger and pedantry are the types of bait that work best on most platforms.
None of this is inherently corporate or profit-motivated, so it would be naive to assume that only for-profit corporate platforms would have that stuff.
Don’t sort by active, only use custom feed, block communities which only contain “anger inducing” content, block people who post “anger inducing” content.
Yep, actively moderating your own content, curating your own feed… that’s the solution.
It worked on reddit for a long time, untill the powermods went totally nuts and the massive waves of paid trolls and bots invaded.
It still works with RSS feeds, which I guess is just technology we are all supposed to forget exists, because its built for a paradigm of many people having many personal websites, as opposed to many people all being on maybe 4 big websites.
If corpos weren’t evil, they’d expose their recommendation algorithms and just allow you to tweak its parameters, for yourself, so you could do your own advanced curation.
But that would make them about as much money as a dating app with no supscription nor signup fees, so, its a non starter.
So… <gestures around broadly> everyone?
What the fuck did you just say about me, you little shit-lemming, I graduated top of my class in The Art of Fediverse Debates and I have over 300 confirmed [removed by mod].
I can win a debate in over 9000 ways, and that’s only considering text, not only do I have access to the dankest arsenal of Leftist Memes, but I also have control of a massive army of bot accounts¹ ready to brigade you and downvote you into lemm-blivion.
¹/joke I do not have any of such thing
Maybe delete your account.
If all people around you are always angry, maybe it’s you?
That’s kind of cliché, honestly. It’s a common assumption that in reality doesn’t necessarily always hold true. It may even be an appeal ad populum.
The easiest counterexample is to say that it’s entirely possible to be surrounded by assholes, while being one of a few people who isn’t a jerk (perhaps being loosely defined as someone who makes an effort to be respectful and considerate of others, an increasingly rare characteristic).
If we reject that claim, then it makes it virtually impossible to make a valid social critique, as it gives a free pass to anything that’s a collective responsibility or widespread issue. If the norm is to be a jerk, then the culpability would rest on anyone who resists conformity, according to that logic.
It also normalizes abusive behavior. Often an abuser will push their victim past the breaking point, then use the result to smear the victim in the public eye, making the victim look like the bad one. Or on a larger scale, in an oppressive society, it would make the only ones willing to stand up look like the bad guys, making it a convenient tool of oppression.
It’s not all people, just most. Despite the name I’m not angry most of the time.
I sort by Hot and barely block anything tho I actively ignore the tankie triade (or the two that are confederated with my instance, grad isn’t)
Lol top tier comment.