Brother the libs are incensed in this thread. Its funny poking the hornets nest and seeing all the same talking points with zero self reflection. I respect you being in the trenches but its prob a waste of time
We got peasant brain mentality going terminal in this thread.
It’s not about libs. Have you paid any attention to the monumental damage trump is doing to the U.S., and to the world? He could have been stopped but the likes of you had to be morons about it. Now it’s too late, and we’re all fucked. You were so stupid and deserved all the vitriol thrown at you.
Trump is not an aberration to our system what are you on about? Trump is literally a natural byproduct of our political system.
You know how he could have been stopped? Meaningful progressive legislation decades ago to right some of the largest issues in our nation. How is this not obvious to you? Obama literally could have diverted course from this but the Dems have no political will to make things better. They don’t give a fuck about you or me they only care about their donors.
The Dems offer no meaningful push back to anything the Republicans do not because they are bad (they are tho) but because its not in the interests of those padding their wallets. They move in the direction they are paid to move in which is to say more to the right every election.
Kamala Harris ran on a more conservative platform than fucking George W Bush 20 years ago. Does that mean nothing to you?
You really think Harris would be just as bad as Trump : invading Venezuela, threatening Greenland and Canada, all those tariffs, alienating allies, putting military in cities to support ice, shutting down pbs, blocking elections, destroying environmental protections, etc. the list goes on and on. Come on, you can’t really be that ignorant.
I think we would have been doing a lot of these same exact things with different optics. Trump likes making things a show she would have navigated a lot of these things more quietly. It wouldn’t have been one to one but I guess my whole point is that she would have offered nothing meaningful to divert us from a course where Trump would happen anyway. We have posturing against Venezula for decades I’m sure there would have been sanctions against them like how we do with Cuba - we’ve already tried to do regime change like this more than once. The tariffs were kind of uniquely stupid but again we would have done similar things under the Dems to posture against China, Iran, Russia, etc etc - more targeted and less stupidly done. ICE I actually think the national guard getting called in would have happened either way - Biden fuckin juiced the shit out of ICE while he was in power Kamala would have done the same if she won to sate the right wing base she was catering to. And tbh as the empire collapses more the violence turning inward is more and more of a given because that’s just kinda how these things work as imperial powers weaken and falter. Kamala Harris was in favor of deregulating fraking laws so she’s also shitty on the environment at the behest of oil companies - I got no faith she wouldn’t capitulate elsewhere too.
Why did Trump get elected? Because the Dems offered nothing of substance that people saw as something that would change their lives for the better. Trump did offer those things. He lied about it but he offered something at least as terrible as it is. Short of actual economic reform policies there is nothing getting us off this path to fascism and I mean policies like a Bernie or better, not small grants to first time house buyers.
Obviously you are stuck in your argument. It’s very clear to most intelligent people that although Harris was hardly progressive, she would not have been so extreme. She would have pushed back on Israel at least for the sake of maintaining support from the progressive dems in the house. She wouldn’t have egged Israel on publically like trump. By your own reconning, Trump did things worse even if you think Harris had the same general crappy plans. But I do not believe Harris would be threatening NATO countries’ sovereignty. The world is currently realigning away from the US because of the tariffs and general insanity of trump. Under Harris we also wouldn’t see the persecution of trans people being encouraged by the White House.
So they’re not the same. Trump is worse. Failing to vote for Harris helped install Trump. And that made things worse. There is no up side.
I’m not stuck in my argument I acknowledge that both parties are captured by capital interests and as such these outcomes are inevitable. Neither the Dems or Republicans have any interest in reigning in corporate power both foreign and domestic. Corporations are driving these interests - who gets rich when we go to war? Who wants oil captured abroad? Etc etc. These are policies that both sides are in lock step on the only difference is the optics in execution.
This is my issue with the push back. It fundamentally misses the point that out political system is designed to pump out these outcomes. Trump is a logical outcome. He is THE logical outcome. Kamala Harris was advocated for nothing that would change that dynamic she would only have slowed things ever so slightly. I can only forecast how things would have been based on her campaign promises - she would have continued the trend of not providing meaningful polices that would help the economic standing of the average person. No meaningful healthcare reform, no student loan relief, no infrastructure promises. All she promised was war and genocide. She promised to “follow the law” with trans people as a historic number of anti trans bills were being passed. She promised to have “the most lethal military”. She promised more endless billions to Israel as she had been helping run cover for their genocide.
If fascism was such an issue why did Kamala Harris run on a “fascism is bad but I offer no solutions for the conditions that lead to it” campaign? Surely if winning was so important she’d have taken all the data suggesting she was running a terrible campaign and course corrected no? No she doesn’t believe in making this country better she believes in further entrenching us in the violent systems of oppression that we all deserve to be free of.
US empire is bad. Supporting it and pushing it further is bad. Realignment away from the US is objectively a good thing for the vast majority of the world. The US wields our influence with oppression and violence worldwide. USAID every project was a way to strong arm countries who need aid because of the devastation western imperialism has wrought on their lands and resources. A multipolar would where the US is unable to act the impunity it does would be better - and no the UN and NATO do not constitute this because both of those are thinly veiled extensions of US power.
I’m not stuck in my argument I have a better sense for the material reality of our systems and the actors within than you do idk what else to say. Whoever you are getting your analysis from has an agenda they are selling you.
Enjoy voting for Dems the rest of your life and being confused why nothing gets better. One day you’ll get some of those brain cells moving together. Even liberals can learn.
Enjoy choking on your idealism and criticizing others for not sitting on their hands as effectively as you do. I’ll stick with pragmatism over dogmatism.
Its always funny when do nothing libs project the fact that they do nothing to change society. Good on though. I’ll continue to fight for you even tho you clearly love being victim to capitalism lol I’m not one to kink shame.
I voted for less shit on the sandwich, because the options were shit sandwich or very large shit sandwich. To pretend there were good options is fucking stupid and ignoring blatant reality so you can jerk off your ego. You voted for nothing. You did nothing. You rolled over like a dog, exactly as you were told to do. If your voice doesn’t matter to you then why the fuck should it matter to anyone else?
I am the dog because I voted for the state sanctioned options that were forced down my throat? Ok dude. You’re literally trying to convince me to continue to cuck myself to a system that is killing us but sure I am the dog of the state. Terminal rectal cranial inversion here.
Brother the libs are incensed in this thread. Its funny poking the hornets nest and seeing all the same talking points with zero self reflection. I respect you being in the trenches but its prob a waste of time
We got peasant brain mentality going terminal in this thread.
It’s not about libs. Have you paid any attention to the monumental damage trump is doing to the U.S., and to the world? He could have been stopped but the likes of you had to be morons about it. Now it’s too late, and we’re all fucked. You were so stupid and deserved all the vitriol thrown at you.
Trump is not an aberration to our system what are you on about? Trump is literally a natural byproduct of our political system.
You know how he could have been stopped? Meaningful progressive legislation decades ago to right some of the largest issues in our nation. How is this not obvious to you? Obama literally could have diverted course from this but the Dems have no political will to make things better. They don’t give a fuck about you or me they only care about their donors.
The Dems offer no meaningful push back to anything the Republicans do not because they are bad (they are tho) but because its not in the interests of those padding their wallets. They move in the direction they are paid to move in which is to say more to the right every election.
Kamala Harris ran on a more conservative platform than fucking George W Bush 20 years ago. Does that mean nothing to you?
You really think Harris would be just as bad as Trump : invading Venezuela, threatening Greenland and Canada, all those tariffs, alienating allies, putting military in cities to support ice, shutting down pbs, blocking elections, destroying environmental protections, etc. the list goes on and on. Come on, you can’t really be that ignorant.
I think we would have been doing a lot of these same exact things with different optics. Trump likes making things a show she would have navigated a lot of these things more quietly. It wouldn’t have been one to one but I guess my whole point is that she would have offered nothing meaningful to divert us from a course where Trump would happen anyway. We have posturing against Venezula for decades I’m sure there would have been sanctions against them like how we do with Cuba - we’ve already tried to do regime change like this more than once. The tariffs were kind of uniquely stupid but again we would have done similar things under the Dems to posture against China, Iran, Russia, etc etc - more targeted and less stupidly done. ICE I actually think the national guard getting called in would have happened either way - Biden fuckin juiced the shit out of ICE while he was in power Kamala would have done the same if she won to sate the right wing base she was catering to. And tbh as the empire collapses more the violence turning inward is more and more of a given because that’s just kinda how these things work as imperial powers weaken and falter. Kamala Harris was in favor of deregulating fraking laws so she’s also shitty on the environment at the behest of oil companies - I got no faith she wouldn’t capitulate elsewhere too.
Why did Trump get elected? Because the Dems offered nothing of substance that people saw as something that would change their lives for the better. Trump did offer those things. He lied about it but he offered something at least as terrible as it is. Short of actual economic reform policies there is nothing getting us off this path to fascism and I mean policies like a Bernie or better, not small grants to first time house buyers.
Obviously you are stuck in your argument. It’s very clear to most intelligent people that although Harris was hardly progressive, she would not have been so extreme. She would have pushed back on Israel at least for the sake of maintaining support from the progressive dems in the house. She wouldn’t have egged Israel on publically like trump. By your own reconning, Trump did things worse even if you think Harris had the same general crappy plans. But I do not believe Harris would be threatening NATO countries’ sovereignty. The world is currently realigning away from the US because of the tariffs and general insanity of trump. Under Harris we also wouldn’t see the persecution of trans people being encouraged by the White House.
So they’re not the same. Trump is worse. Failing to vote for Harris helped install Trump. And that made things worse. There is no up side.
I’m not stuck in my argument I acknowledge that both parties are captured by capital interests and as such these outcomes are inevitable. Neither the Dems or Republicans have any interest in reigning in corporate power both foreign and domestic. Corporations are driving these interests - who gets rich when we go to war? Who wants oil captured abroad? Etc etc. These are policies that both sides are in lock step on the only difference is the optics in execution.
This is my issue with the push back. It fundamentally misses the point that out political system is designed to pump out these outcomes. Trump is a logical outcome. He is THE logical outcome. Kamala Harris was advocated for nothing that would change that dynamic she would only have slowed things ever so slightly. I can only forecast how things would have been based on her campaign promises - she would have continued the trend of not providing meaningful polices that would help the economic standing of the average person. No meaningful healthcare reform, no student loan relief, no infrastructure promises. All she promised was war and genocide. She promised to “follow the law” with trans people as a historic number of anti trans bills were being passed. She promised to have “the most lethal military”. She promised more endless billions to Israel as she had been helping run cover for their genocide.
If fascism was such an issue why did Kamala Harris run on a “fascism is bad but I offer no solutions for the conditions that lead to it” campaign? Surely if winning was so important she’d have taken all the data suggesting she was running a terrible campaign and course corrected no? No she doesn’t believe in making this country better she believes in further entrenching us in the violent systems of oppression that we all deserve to be free of.
US empire is bad. Supporting it and pushing it further is bad. Realignment away from the US is objectively a good thing for the vast majority of the world. The US wields our influence with oppression and violence worldwide. USAID every project was a way to strong arm countries who need aid because of the devastation western imperialism has wrought on their lands and resources. A multipolar would where the US is unable to act the impunity it does would be better - and no the UN and NATO do not constitute this because both of those are thinly veiled extensions of US power.
I’m not stuck in my argument I have a better sense for the material reality of our systems and the actors within than you do idk what else to say. Whoever you are getting your analysis from has an agenda they are selling you.
What a garbage-ass take.
Enjoy your cope, hero.
Enjoy voting for Dems the rest of your life and being confused why nothing gets better. One day you’ll get some of those brain cells moving together. Even liberals can learn.
Enjoy choking on your idealism and criticizing others for not sitting on their hands as effectively as you do. I’ll stick with pragmatism over dogmatism.
Its always funny when do nothing libs project the fact that they do nothing to change society. Good on though. I’ll continue to fight for you even tho you clearly love being victim to capitalism lol I’m not one to kink shame.
Have fun sitting on your hands and attacking people for advocating for progress, you regressive chud.
You literally voted for genocide, more war abroad, and fascist immigration laws. I’m the regressive though. Lol
I voted for less shit on the sandwich, because the options were shit sandwich or very large shit sandwich. To pretend there were good options is fucking stupid and ignoring blatant reality so you can jerk off your ego. You voted for nothing. You did nothing. You rolled over like a dog, exactly as you were told to do. If your voice doesn’t matter to you then why the fuck should it matter to anyone else?
I am the dog because I voted for the state sanctioned options that were forced down my throat? Ok dude. You’re literally trying to convince me to continue to cuck myself to a system that is killing us but sure I am the dog of the state. Terminal rectal cranial inversion here.