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    3 days ago

    I hear you but this argument is stupid because I can just flip it and say “any vote for a third party supports Harris” if I was a Trump guy.

    The fact of the matter is even if every person who voted like I did (I voted for PSL not afraid to admit it) voted for Harris she still loses because she ran such a dogshit and unpopular campaign that missed every single thing people were screaming out for.

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      3 days ago

      It doesn’t though thanks to the nature of first past the post elections. 😉

      In this case you have a fascist candidate and non-fascist candidate. Any vote that fails to go to the non-fascist helps the fascist.

      This is why all the Russian bots were like “But… but… Jill Stein…”

      Who never had a chance except in drawing votes away from Harris.

      Then you have the absolute morons going “I aint voting because both sides are the same!”

      Really? So Harris would have rolled the National Guard into LA, Portland and Chicago? Would have attacked Venezuela? Would be threatening Mexico, Columbia and frickin Greenland? LOL.

      Both sides are NOT the same, and you have to vote down the insane side of US politics or else they win.

      • 🇵🇸antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml
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        3 days ago

        Again you’re making the same baseless argument here. I agree that FPTP is a blight on our politics because both sides really ARE the same on about 90% of issues - the difference is always just messaging and optics.

        Harris would have 100% sanctioned Venezuela like we do Cuba. That’s incredibly violent as an action. Not an outright military attack but it would be a wholesale attack on their entire economy which is usually just as devastating - it’s how we do much of our control around the world.

        Harris was in favor of the violent crackdowns of speech during the protests for both BLM and Palestine. She was in support of the expansion of ICE under Biden. I have every expectation that she would remain consistent and pressure governors to crack down on those protests - not directly activating them but the exact same end result.

        Mexico as a nation run by people ostensibly sympathetic to socialist policy also would become a target by our nation. Rest assured we will not allow for a nation neighboring us to implement policies that will agitate our population against the powers that be without trying to strong arm them into submission in whatever direction we deem appropriate. Dems and Republicans are the same on any anti capitalist shit.

        Both sides ARE the same for every issue that matters to YOU in your day to day life.

        Healthcare, education, infrastructure, social welfare, corporate deregulation, support for our two tier labor system via the perpetually broken immigration system, imperial control abroad, use of proxy states to enforce our national goals, support of genocide, regime change. I could go on. All of these things they hold nearly IDENTICAL positions on and just about every outcome politically can be derived from these similarities. What are they ostensibly different on? Identity politics. That’s about it and even then they have moved precipitously in the direction of converging on a lot of those - both parties are pro capitalist, both pro persecution of anti fascist groups, both are throwing trans people to the wolves.

        Everything that Trump is doing today are things that were already happening on smaller scales, it’s interesting to me how people just conveniently act like Trump manifested all these evils into the world rather than the reality which is he just turned the dial to 11 on things we are already doing at a 9.