• DaMummy@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    So then why was I given that chart? And then the first chart barely has an increase in deportations compared to 22 & 23, just a massive spike in domestic flights.

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      3 days ago

      Why did you provide data that only goes up to December 2024 as a source to prove that deportations were higher under Biden than Trump?

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        As said, I was hoping for something that covers even the Obama years, at least Trumps first term, but I guess the ICE website doesn’t provide that data anymore. Could’ve sworn some official website did, maybe it was DHS.

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          But that’s not what you said, is it? You asserted that the data you shared covered the first year of Trumps second term.

          Why did you provide it as a source for your claim when it doesn’t actually include what you said it includes?

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            You’re right, I did. I saw fiscal year 2025, and I assumed it actually showed fy25. Fiscal year apparently means something different in Ohio as well :/ But in fairness, if we’re gonna go after my goalposting, can we at least answer my first questions as well. How many ICE deportations were there under Biden, and how many deaths in ICE custody were there under Biden.

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              You provided the answer to that question, so we should be all set. Next in the order is your claim that there were more under Biden than under Trump. What is your evidence of that?

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                Sec, that one I’m sure of as I’ve seen the data going back to trumps first term. Just gotta remember what to Google :/

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                  To be clear, the implication of your assertion that the 2025 data was there was that it proved that it was higher under Biden than it is currently under Trump. Why did you make that assertion?

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                    I was thinking of comparing to trumps first term. Though I did assume fiscal year 25 actually meant that it was proving fiscal year 25(again, apparently different meaning in Ohio) so I did kinda compare it to Trump so far, but it’s also hard to argue against me there, as there isn’t data on that, just speculation. And holy crap, even what I’m looking for now isn’t easy to find. Every place mentions how Biden deported more, records were set under Biden, and how Title 42 played a huge role in everything, basically a catch and release on same day as illegal crossing. The charts I’m finding do provide info I’m looking for, but there’s a ton of * too, mostly title 42. AI always gives me the right answers, but I hate using that as source, and I don’t know how to use AI effectively to get where it’s getting its info from.