A woman is dead after being shot by a federal agent during an ICE operation Wednesday morning in south Minneapolis. U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem called the woman's actions leading up to the shooting "an act of domestic terrorism."
You’re right, I did. I saw fiscal year 2025, and I assumed it actually showed fy25. Fiscal year apparently means something different in Ohio as well :/ But in fairness, if we’re gonna go after my goalposting, can we at least answer my first questions as well. How many ICE deportations were there under Biden, and how many deaths in ICE custody were there under Biden.
You provided the answer to that question, so we should be all set. Next in the order is your claim that there were more under Biden than under Trump. What is your evidence of that?
To be clear, the implication of your assertion that the 2025 data was there was that it proved that it was higher under Biden than it is currently under Trump. Why did you make that assertion?
I was thinking of comparing to trumps first term. Though I did assume fiscal year 25 actually meant that it was proving fiscal year 25(again, apparently different meaning in Ohio) so I did kinda compare it to Trump so far, but it’s also hard to argue against me there, as there isn’t data on that, just speculation. And holy crap, even what I’m looking for now isn’t easy to find. Every place mentions how Biden deported more, records were set under Biden, and how Title 42 played a huge role in everything, basically a catch and release on same day as illegal crossing. The charts I’m finding do provide info I’m looking for, but there’s a ton of * too, mostly title 42. AI always gives me the right answers, but I hate using that as source, and I don’t know how to use AI effectively to get where it’s getting its info from.
See, I though the same thing! Seriously, look into it. In Ohio, and some other places in country, it’s July to June, while others it’s October to September.
A key factor in the higher numbers under Biden is the use of Title 42, a pandemic-era policy that allowed for rapid expulsions of migrants without formal deportation proceedings; over 2.8 million expulsions occurred under this policy, mostly during Biden’s tenure. Critics note that many of Biden’s removals consist of “voluntary returns” at the border, leading some to label him the “returner-in-chief,” whereas Trump focused more on interior enforcement, though his overall numbers were lower.
Additionally, fiscal year data shows that deportations under Biden, particularly in FY 2023 and early FY 2024, outpaced those of any single year under Trump. While Trump promised large-scale deportations, the data indicates that Biden has overseen a greater number of removals and repatriations overall.
But that’s not what you said, is it? You asserted that the data you shared covered the first year of Trumps second term.
Why did you provide it as a source for your claim when it doesn’t actually include what you said it includes?
You’re right, I did. I saw fiscal year 2025, and I assumed it actually showed fy25. Fiscal year apparently means something different in Ohio as well :/ But in fairness, if we’re gonna go after my goalposting, can we at least answer my first questions as well. How many ICE deportations were there under Biden, and how many deaths in ICE custody were there under Biden.
You provided the answer to that question, so we should be all set. Next in the order is your claim that there were more under Biden than under Trump. What is your evidence of that?
Sec, that one I’m sure of as I’ve seen the data going back to trumps first term. Just gotta remember what to Google :/
To be clear, the implication of your assertion that the 2025 data was there was that it proved that it was higher under Biden than it is currently under Trump. Why did you make that assertion?
I was thinking of comparing to trumps first term. Though I did assume fiscal year 25 actually meant that it was proving fiscal year 25(again, apparently different meaning in Ohio) so I did kinda compare it to Trump so far, but it’s also hard to argue against me there, as there isn’t data on that, just speculation. And holy crap, even what I’m looking for now isn’t easy to find. Every place mentions how Biden deported more, records were set under Biden, and how Title 42 played a huge role in everything, basically a catch and release on same day as illegal crossing. The charts I’m finding do provide info I’m looking for, but there’s a ton of * too, mostly title 42. AI always gives me the right answers, but I hate using that as source, and I don’t know how to use AI effectively to get where it’s getting its info from.
Not to pile on, but uh… I can assure you, as a life long Ohio native, “fiscal year” means the same thing here as it does everywhere else
See, I though the same thing! Seriously, look into it. In Ohio, and some other places in country, it’s July to June, while others it’s October to September.
To be clear, no you didn’t. Not even “kinda”. The data you provided doesn’t include any data from 2025 at all.
Every place? So share a few.
Share those charts.
Share the answers it’s giving. It won’t count as a source, but I’m skeptical that AI is even giving you that information.
Again, don’t come after me for any of these sources. They’re just my first couple search results. https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-deportations-illegal-immigrants-trump-biden-lindsey-graham-1998758 https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116859/documents/HHRG-118-GO06-20240215-SD013.pdf The AI answer Joe Biden’s administration has overseen more deportations and repatriations than Donald Trump’s first term. Data from the Department of Homeland Security shows that by July 2024, the Biden administration had carried out 4,677,460 removals, surpassing the 2,001,280 deportations during Trump’s first term. Another report states that Biden deported 4.44 million individuals in 2021 and 2022 alone, exceeding Trump’s first-term total of 3.13 million.
A key factor in the higher numbers under Biden is the use of Title 42, a pandemic-era policy that allowed for rapid expulsions of migrants without formal deportation proceedings; over 2.8 million expulsions occurred under this policy, mostly during Biden’s tenure. Critics note that many of Biden’s removals consist of “voluntary returns” at the border, leading some to label him the “returner-in-chief,” whereas Trump focused more on interior enforcement, though his overall numbers were lower.
Additionally, fiscal year data shows that deportations under Biden, particularly in FY 2023 and early FY 2024, outpaced those of any single year under Trump. While Trump promised large-scale deportations, the data indicates that Biden has overseen a greater number of removals and repatriations overall.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1gbdxut/oc_deportations_and_total_cases_under_us/ https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1nt8on8/us_deportations_by_year_and_political_party/ I gotta go play some drunk Mario kart though, don’t think I’m abandoning the discussion, I was supposed to leave like an hour ago but stuck around for that reason :/
I’m parsing through this, but I think it’s worth establishing where the goalposts even are at this point.
You’re clearly going for a gotcha here, so help me understand what the gotcha even is.
Is deportation inherently bad? What is a “good” number of deportations?
Let’s even just assume you’re correct, why would Biden having a higher number of deportations inherently be worse?