• 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    It’s not scapegoating to state the simple fact that when people make a choice, they are responsible for it.

    Like letting off your war criminals and putting them on pedestals? Seems like an snowball effect to allow your presidents to do anything they please?

    Seems like you’re more responsible than you think for the state of things.

    Try to make your presidents liable for their actions next time so you don’t have to whine about it on the internet when you don’t get your way?

    We’re sick and tired of it too.

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      2 days ago

      Sorry your are tired of It. Your help would be most appreciated. As the saying goes, lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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        2 days ago

        It’s not whataboutism to detail the list of failures from democrats that built the current situation we are in. They are weak party that offers little and provides less, and they fail to win much of anything because of it.

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          It is always whataboutism to try to shift the conversation to something you think you can argue for more easily.

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            Definitionally, talking about two causally linked things is not whataboutism. You could argue it’s shifting blame, and I would still disagree, but at least it would be coherent.

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              Oh well, since I have something to prove to you and the thread doesn’t speak for itself I will now spend 30 minutes arguing with you about it. Oh wait it’s not 2019 anymore.

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                It is a bit academic at this point. I just hoped that liberals contend with the reality that you have to align with your voters, rather than always trying to set blame on the millions that stay politically disaffected.