The reality is that the people who love death and violence will say and believe whatever to continue wanking to these displays of power. They’re rotten to the core, they WANT the nonsense explanations to soften the cognitive dissonance.
Is society so broken that we unintentionally produce these kinds of monsters or are some people just inherently born evil? And if it’s the latter how do we even realistically combat such a thing? I’m tired of this place. This place sucks.
Is society so broken that we unintentionally produce these kinds of monsters or are some people just inherently born evil?
Unintentionally? Brother there are like a dozen rich white right wing billionaires who have made this their lives purpose. There have been organizations like them for … basically forever with all different sorts of dynamics.
They are very intentionally being created, and of course some people grow up without empathy for those different for them, or without any at all.
Society is that broken imo. People are understandably angry that their material conditions suck. The economy sucks. They hate their job. They hate their wife/husband/kids that they felt like they have to have. But our education system has been absolutely gutted, so they don’t understand why their life sucks so bad.
And instead of a real education they get fed propaganda saying “traditionalism is good, and it’s these outsiders with dangerous, new ideas that have ruined the country and are making your life terrible.” And just believing the people with power that tell them this is a hell of a lot easier than trying to educate themselves on why life actually sucks.
Remember, fascism operates on having an in-group the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group the law binds but does not protect. So as long as they’re part of the in-group they get to feel safe and secure. And they get to blame the out-group for their problems, so attacking the out-group is actually dealing with their problems. (And improperly venting their anger)
And if you throw in some conspiracies, like the “Jews run the world” bullshit, then it makes people feel special bc they have “secret knowledge” that no one else knows or understands. So instead of feeling inferior bc they’re uneducated, they get to feel smart and special
Now all of this is absolutely horrendous. The bright side is that if learned, which means that some people will unlearn it and we can work towards making sure kids aren’t taught this bullshit now or in the future. It’ll be really fucking difficult, but it’s vital to making the world less shit
The values necessary to fuel the empire’s economy and narratives, which run on innocent blood, sweat and tears, are not conducive to having a society of prosocial, healthy, righteous individuals. Don’t worry, it’s different elsewhere, Americans are just particularly cooked. Even the UK, which was the world’s main villain some years ago, is a somewhat different and more humane society (Tommy Robinson and pals excluded ofc).
It really is an American/turbo Western issue at the moment but it has been part of the culture of many older civilizations, and an ideological one, which means it can be changed!
You’ve just kicked the can down the line and created a loop. “The empire’s economy and narratives”. Who exactly do you think runs these empires? Hint. It’s people.
Tyrannical governments have existed since the earliest of recorded history. It’s not something exclusive to any one country. People are bastards no matter their color, race, creed or tribe. People suck.
“People are shitty because other people are shitty.” I understand the logic to it but when exactly did this cycle start? What is the initial source of evil that pushed the world into chaos if not us?
The only way we move forward is to accept responsibility and be held accountable, which is seemingly incompatible with human life. People gladly deny genocides on this very site daily.
I don’t think I can come to any other conclusions than people are just inherently evil. Maybe good doesn’t even exist? Just a planet full of pricks fucking everybody else over for their own personal gain and “good” is a fairy tale we tell ourselves to make us feel better and wash away our sins.
People are not inherently evil, I’d even say we’re predisposed to prosociality, but intelligence plus free will mixed with selfishness and fear make us more than capable of being/doing “evil”, certainly. We’re imperfect, we’ll never not be, but I do believe we can be better towards each other with a minimal amount of great excesses. The only way to combat it is to truly believe collectively it’s our duty to be righteous, and here’s where believing in God, and that will judge us all fairly for our deeds, comes in handy. Idk any other more foolproof way, as in one empathetic philosopher might bring himself to do this without belief somewhat successfully but the other 99 will require some sort of handrails to walk through life ethically more successfully than not.
I think we would be alright if we simply defaulted to caring about all human life on this planet. We can’t continue picking groups of people to place above others.
Maybe having certain stickers is making people a target, because their background is fit to be portrayed as fringe be J.D. Vance after being murdered. All in order to provoke more police state, not less.
Amongst other things, sure, because if you have “good people stickers” you’re a rebel in the genocidal, slaver, rapist American empire. It’s just that the empire has gotten to the point where the ideology and lies have to be truly enforced (things will get materially worse for everyone besides the oligarchs, bloodthirsty racists included, the party lines are distractions and coping mechanisms). Regardless, it’s joever. Your government and your own neighbours will show you as much humanity and kindness as they did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
The reality is that the people who love death and violence will say and believe whatever to continue wanking to these displays of power. They’re rotten to the core, they WANT the nonsense explanations to soften the cognitive dissonance.
Is society so broken that we unintentionally produce these kinds of monsters or are some people just inherently born evil? And if it’s the latter how do we even realistically combat such a thing? I’m tired of this place. This place sucks.
Unintentionally? Brother there are like a dozen rich white right wing billionaires who have made this their lives purpose. There have been organizations like them for … basically forever with all different sorts of dynamics.
They are very intentionally being created, and of course some people grow up without empathy for those different for them, or without any at all.
Society is that broken imo. People are understandably angry that their material conditions suck. The economy sucks. They hate their job. They hate their wife/husband/kids that they felt like they have to have. But our education system has been absolutely gutted, so they don’t understand why their life sucks so bad.
And instead of a real education they get fed propaganda saying “traditionalism is good, and it’s these outsiders with dangerous, new ideas that have ruined the country and are making your life terrible.” And just believing the people with power that tell them this is a hell of a lot easier than trying to educate themselves on why life actually sucks.
Remember, fascism operates on having an in-group the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group the law binds but does not protect. So as long as they’re part of the in-group they get to feel safe and secure. And they get to blame the out-group for their problems, so attacking the out-group is actually dealing with their problems. (And improperly venting their anger)
And if you throw in some conspiracies, like the “Jews run the world” bullshit, then it makes people feel special bc they have “secret knowledge” that no one else knows or understands. So instead of feeling inferior bc they’re uneducated, they get to feel smart and special
Now all of this is absolutely horrendous. The bright side is that if learned, which means that some people will unlearn it and we can work towards making sure kids aren’t taught this bullshit now or in the future. It’ll be really fucking difficult, but it’s vital to making the world less shit
Nice points.
That’s conservatism.
Ah you’re right. The conservatives in the USA are pretty much all fascists at this point so I literally forgot the difference 😭 I hate this country
The values necessary to fuel the empire’s economy and narratives, which run on innocent blood, sweat and tears, are not conducive to having a society of prosocial, healthy, righteous individuals. Don’t worry, it’s different elsewhere, Americans are just particularly cooked. Even the UK, which was the world’s main villain some years ago, is a somewhat different and more humane society (Tommy Robinson and pals excluded ofc).
It really is an American/turbo Western issue at the moment but it has been part of the culture of many older civilizations, and an ideological one, which means it can be changed!
You’ve just kicked the can down the line and created a loop. “The empire’s economy and narratives”. Who exactly do you think runs these empires? Hint. It’s people.
Tyrannical governments have existed since the earliest of recorded history. It’s not something exclusive to any one country. People are bastards no matter their color, race, creed or tribe. People suck.
“People are shitty because other people are shitty.” I understand the logic to it but when exactly did this cycle start? What is the initial source of evil that pushed the world into chaos if not us?
The only way we move forward is to accept responsibility and be held accountable, which is seemingly incompatible with human life. People gladly deny genocides on this very site daily.
I don’t think I can come to any other conclusions than people are just inherently evil. Maybe good doesn’t even exist? Just a planet full of pricks fucking everybody else over for their own personal gain and “good” is a fairy tale we tell ourselves to make us feel better and wash away our sins.
People are not inherently evil, I’d even say we’re predisposed to prosociality, but intelligence plus free will mixed with selfishness and fear make us more than capable of being/doing “evil”, certainly. We’re imperfect, we’ll never not be, but I do believe we can be better towards each other with a minimal amount of great excesses. The only way to combat it is to truly believe collectively it’s our duty to be righteous, and here’s where believing in God, and that will judge us all fairly for our deeds, comes in handy. Idk any other more foolproof way, as in one empathetic philosopher might bring himself to do this without belief somewhat successfully but the other 99 will require some sort of handrails to walk through life ethically more successfully than not.
I think we would be alright if we simply defaulted to caring about all human life on this planet. We can’t continue picking groups of people to place above others.
Maybe having certain stickers is making people a target, because their background is fit to be portrayed as fringe be J.D. Vance after being murdered. All in order to provoke more police state, not less.
Amongst other things, sure, because if you have “good people stickers” you’re a rebel in the genocidal, slaver, rapist American empire. It’s just that the empire has gotten to the point where the ideology and lies have to be truly enforced (things will get materially worse for everyone besides the oligarchs, bloodthirsty racists included, the party lines are distractions and coping mechanisms). Regardless, it’s joever. Your government and your own neighbours will show you as much humanity and kindness as they did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.