That because you are just an animal and can’t control yourself, you forced them into existence, even though you knew how bad things were going to be?
That it’s not your fault (because you are just an animal who can’t go against your basic instinct to procreate and aren’t capable of self control) that bringing them into this world sped up man made climate collapse and resource depletion, cutting their lives even shorter and making them more brutal?
That you were aware of the imminant food, water and oxygen shortages; +4c climate, catastrophic weather, global fascism, billionaires, ww3, and the predicted human casualties from all this being in the billions; all set to happen within your offsprings lifetime, and yet you still had them because you are an animal who can’t control their urges?
Procreation is hubris, cruelty and arrogance, and you personally at this point don’t even have ignorance as an excuse.
I’m not planning on having kids, but personally it seems like being a human under bad conditions is still better than being nearly any other animal on the planet under normal conditions. I do get the argument for not reproducing to avoid your kids having to go through a worsening environment, but it’s kind of silly to try to push that perspective on others as some kind of moral issue.
Like, what good does it do to just spew venom about people wanting children? Save that for the ultra rich who already used their entire year’s allotment of sustainable carbon footprint 10 days in. Save it for the literal fascists who are actively working to prevent anyone from doing anything to slow it down.
Ultimately this planet will eventually be consumed by the sun no matter what we do. There’s no need to be a jerk about it to people who have no control over how long it all lasts in the mean time.
Alright. People want to have kids no matter what. It’s instinct. You can’t “talk people out of” their instincts. You’ll waste your life in this endeavor, even if you would be correct. I hear your arguments on a logical level, but it doesn’t help.
Take my advice and find another goal, even if it stings. Take care! ❤️
Oookay, now that’s uncalled for. I am strongly against rape, and only for consent. This hasn’t nothing to do with the urge to have sex, and only to do with the want to start a family and pour love into my own kids like my parents did to me. Nothing else.
Don’t go there, that’s not a cool argumentative approach. Don’t do that, please. Thank you.
I wouldn’t have had kids if I thought they would suffer, obviously. You have kids with the hope and ambition, and belief that they will fare well. It took me years to build up the confidence in myself as an adult to even try to have kids.
No child can ever give consent. Does that mean we should also neuter all animals? tHeiR ofFsPrInG WiLl sUfFeR. Like where does this make sense? This is a fundamental necessity of life that you’re trying to talk out of somebody. It’s innate. If you don’t understand it, you don’t feel it. And we are at an explanatory impasse. That’s why we have to agree to disagree here and now.
No hard feelings. 🤝 But please stop acting like I’m some villain. Thanks.
I’m not acting like you are some villain. I am trying to test your logic.
It boils down to “BuT mUh InStInCtS”
But you did though! Your kids will suffer greatly! Suffering that they didn’t need to experience.
There is also the chance your child doesn’t fare well. Hope is useless, they will suffer from the oncoming changes to our climate I guarantee it. We all will if we don’t die before it happens.
Exactly! Now you are getting it! A child cannot give you consent from the void. So what do we do? We don’t procreate, because in the void there is no pain, no suffering. You do not exist. So we go along with OUR lives and not rip someone who may not want to be here cough me cough. What about asexual people? Are they not biologically human because they don’t have this “urge”? I thought this was instinctual so shouldn’t everyone feel this way? I surely don’t feel this need you keep rambling on about. Sex is different than having a child, I can have sex and not bring someone into suffering.
Yeah if I could end all suffering on the planet I absolutely would. Animals suffer just as much as we do if not more in some circumstances (meat industry, dairy industry, etc.). We breed so many animals as if they are fucking toys it is disgusting. Especially when there are plenty in shelters about to be put down. However there really isn’t talking to animals now is there. I am talking to people that can actually take steps to prevent suffering.
Also you seem to keep confusing the instinct of mating. Children are byproduct of that instinct, there is no instinct to reproduce. Please stop saying stuff you are confidently incorrect about.
You going to explain this to your kids?
That because you are just an animal and can’t control yourself, you forced them into existence, even though you knew how bad things were going to be?
That it’s not your fault (because you are just an animal who can’t go against your basic instinct to procreate and aren’t capable of self control) that bringing them into this world sped up man made climate collapse and resource depletion, cutting their lives even shorter and making them more brutal?
That you were aware of the imminant food, water and oxygen shortages; +4c climate, catastrophic weather, global fascism, billionaires, ww3, and the predicted human casualties from all this being in the billions; all set to happen within your offsprings lifetime, and yet you still had them because you are an animal who can’t control their urges?
Procreation is hubris, cruelty and arrogance, and you personally at this point don’t even have ignorance as an excuse.
I’m not planning on having kids, but personally it seems like being a human under bad conditions is still better than being nearly any other animal on the planet under normal conditions. I do get the argument for not reproducing to avoid your kids having to go through a worsening environment, but it’s kind of silly to try to push that perspective on others as some kind of moral issue.
Like, what good does it do to just spew venom about people wanting children? Save that for the ultra rich who already used their entire year’s allotment of sustainable carbon footprint 10 days in. Save it for the literal fascists who are actively working to prevent anyone from doing anything to slow it down.
Ultimately this planet will eventually be consumed by the sun no matter what we do. There’s no need to be a jerk about it to people who have no control over how long it all lasts in the mean time.
We had our kids before even COVID. Those were brighter times, my friend. The world sucks now, admittedly.
But we can’t undo our kids, nor do we want to, of course.
Every point I have raised has been known since before covid. I’ve been trying to get people to listen for ten years now.
Alright. People want to have kids no matter what. It’s instinct. You can’t “talk people out of” their instincts. You’ll waste your life in this endeavor, even if you would be correct. I hear your arguments on a logical level, but it doesn’t help.
Take my advice and find another goal, even if it stings. Take care! ❤️
You sound like the people who say “boys will be boys” when the “boy” rapes someone. It’s “masculine” nature as they say.
Fuck that, keep your “instincts” to yourself
Get a vasectomy if you can’t control yourself.
Thats the worst analogy Ive read in a long time. Congrats. Thats impressively bad.
Oookay, now that’s uncalled for. I am strongly against rape, and only for consent. This hasn’t nothing to do with the urge to have sex, and only to do with the want to start a family and pour love into my own kids like my parents did to me. Nothing else.
Don’t go there, that’s not a cool argumentative approach. Don’t do that, please. Thank you.
I said you are making the same type of argument in this situation just flavored differently.
You have already made it clear that your instincts come first, not the consent of the child who will suffer.
I’m not. It’s not about sex.
I wouldn’t have had kids if I thought they would suffer, obviously. You have kids with the hope and ambition, and belief that they will fare well. It took me years to build up the confidence in myself as an adult to even try to have kids.
No child can ever give consent. Does that mean we should also neuter all animals? tHeiR ofFsPrInG WiLl sUfFeR. Like where does this make sense? This is a fundamental necessity of life that you’re trying to talk out of somebody. It’s innate. If you don’t understand it, you don’t feel it. And we are at an explanatory impasse. That’s why we have to agree to disagree here and now.
No hard feelings. 🤝 But please stop acting like I’m some villain. Thanks.
I’m not acting like you are some villain. I am trying to test your logic.
It boils down to “BuT mUh InStInCtS”
But you did though! Your kids will suffer greatly! Suffering that they didn’t need to experience.
There is also the chance your child doesn’t fare well. Hope is useless, they will suffer from the oncoming changes to our climate I guarantee it. We all will if we don’t die before it happens.
Exactly! Now you are getting it! A child cannot give you consent from the void. So what do we do? We don’t procreate, because in the void there is no pain, no suffering. You do not exist. So we go along with OUR lives and not rip someone who may not want to be here cough me cough. What about asexual people? Are they not biologically human because they don’t have this “urge”? I thought this was instinctual so shouldn’t everyone feel this way? I surely don’t feel this need you keep rambling on about. Sex is different than having a child, I can have sex and not bring someone into suffering.
Yeah if I could end all suffering on the planet I absolutely would. Animals suffer just as much as we do if not more in some circumstances (meat industry, dairy industry, etc.). We breed so many animals as if they are fucking toys it is disgusting. Especially when there are plenty in shelters about to be put down. However there really isn’t talking to animals now is there. I am talking to people that can actually take steps to prevent suffering.
Also you seem to keep confusing the instinct of mating. Children are byproduct of that instinct, there is no instinct to reproduce. Please stop saying stuff you are confidently incorrect about.