I feel like this is driving a lot of your feelings in this matter, and I do want to be alive, so I cannot relate to your position, I think.
Some of us feel that being alive through hardship is worth it as long as we have each other to love and cherish. But of course, if those types of relationships are missing, or the hardship is too intense, it can be overpowering.
I hope you some day feel like you want to be alive. ❤️
Relating to my position is irrelevant. The core logic remains the same.
You may not think it, but the logical conclusion of your position is either
a.) it is okay to inflict suffering because I feel like it
Or
b.) I am not directly responsible for inflicting any suffering that my offspring goes through.
Or
c.) The quality of life I can provide for them supersedes/makes up for that suffering.
A is strictly wrong, B is wrong by my standards, and C is entirely subjective and is ultimately a question that you don’t really know the answer to and you just feel that way. See A.
But yes thank you I do not hope for any undue suffering in anyone’s life and I do not think that having children makes you due to suffer. But it is undoubtedly a selfish act in my book.
The chance that my kids will suffer extraordinarily is small. And yes, it is a gamble, fair enough. People still do things even though there’s risk, because of the possibilities and weighted risk.
We all suffer in one way or another. Me too. But that is life. Life is suffering. Without suffering, there wouldn’t be joy. And the balance here is important.
You are clearly suffering a lot.
I am suffering very little.
We do not have the same world view because of this. 🤷♂️ I don’t think this conversation will do either of us any good.
Alright.
I feel like this is driving a lot of your feelings in this matter, and I do want to be alive, so I cannot relate to your position, I think.
Some of us feel that being alive through hardship is worth it as long as we have each other to love and cherish. But of course, if those types of relationships are missing, or the hardship is too intense, it can be overpowering.
I hope you some day feel like you want to be alive. ❤️
Relating to my position is irrelevant. The core logic remains the same.
You may not think it, but the logical conclusion of your position is either
a.) it is okay to inflict suffering because I feel like it
Or
b.) I am not directly responsible for inflicting any suffering that my offspring goes through.
Or
c.) The quality of life I can provide for them supersedes/makes up for that suffering.
A is strictly wrong, B is wrong by my standards, and C is entirely subjective and is ultimately a question that you don’t really know the answer to and you just feel that way. See A.
But yes thank you I do not hope for any undue suffering in anyone’s life and I do not think that having children makes you due to suffer. But it is undoubtedly a selfish act in my book.
Alright. We disagree on b) and c).
The chance that my kids will suffer extraordinarily is small. And yes, it is a gamble, fair enough. People still do things even though there’s risk, because of the possibilities and weighted risk.
We all suffer in one way or another. Me too. But that is life. Life is suffering. Without suffering, there wouldn’t be joy. And the balance here is important.
You are clearly suffering a lot.
I am suffering very little.
We do not have the same world view because of this. 🤷♂️ I don’t think this conversation will do either of us any good.
The chance that your kids will suffer extraordinarily is… extremely high, actually. Are you a climate science denier?
I’m not. Have a nice day.
You as well!