We’re certainly doomed if we don’t
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2nd amendment was created to overthrow tyrannical governments.
And the insurrection act was created to mobilize soldiery against citizenry.
People who have experienced armed conflict are pretty clear that every other avenue should be explored. I can only imagine what would happen if people started taking pot shots at government law enforcement.
I can only imagine, but I am fairly certain that others don’t have to rely on imagination because I am very sure there are plans in place to respond with force if anyone were to do that.
I would also guess there are people in positions of power who are just waiting for a reason to escalate things even further.
Peaceful means of resistance should always be exhausted before anything else is considered.
They don’t need an excuse and what do you think the next level of “escalation” would look like in Minneapolis? Armed forces refusing deployment orders? The end of the US? This admin is walking a dangerous line and using the cover of a “law-enforcement” action is doing a lot of work. As soon as it escalates to “putting down an insurrection” everyone in the admin is at risk of being vacated from office, mortally. Trump may not realize it, but the people on the ground will.
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I thought you were armed.
Isn’t it better to lose your jobs, healthcare and homes in a complete shutdown than your lives trying to take on the government?
There’s steps of difficulty to this. This has been explained to Americans for decades now but they don’t listen very well and learn even less.
The easiest is to vote. The more commitment you give this, the better the result, quality of candidate and the easier it is to get the change you want. It still works well when the participation rate is over 80%, that usually eliminates electoral college and tampering issues.
When you have failed to take the easy way, the next easiest is to shut the means of production, everything, down. This is where it’s better to lose the healthcare, housing and jobs again because the hardest way, civil war, will absolutely take your life and you don’t get that one back.
Given it’s already at ‘execute citizens in the street’, worrying about jobs et al is probably a bit whiny.
Another thing, a reminder again, the longer it’s left the worse it gets and the harder it is to fix. The rest of the world won’t pick and choose between individuals either; they’ll all be held equally responsible for any damage their laziness in not voting causes.
I wouldn’t recommend trying on the violent one though. Sure, arm to defend as is your right but it’s easier to starve and be homeless for a while than it is to give your life.
participation rate is over 80%, that usually eliminates electoral college and tampering issues
my country has mandatory voting, and that hasn’t solved any of those problems that are inherent to a capitalist oligarchy, not quite the voting system. i have explained this to westerners over and over, but as you said, they don’t listen very well or learn.
do unionize, it should instead be step number 1 in getting anything done. i’m afraid you are way past that point though, given that the gestapo is already abducting and killing citizens from the streets.
that hasn’t stopped…
Unless I’m mistaken, it’s probably a better society to live in than the US.
Even if that isn’t the case the voting attendance and participation is higher. Adding to that, it’s still the fix for the US problems…voting and voting in numbers.
that’s a low bar to clear. my country is still awful and plagued by fascism.
Mine has a few of them as well, enough for them to openly apply as a political party.
The fact remains that the US position would be a lot better than it is they voted in numbers. The Republican voters loyalty to their team alone proves this. It might be the only redeeming quality they have but make no mistake on it…they have control because their people religiously vote.
i don’t think usians will be able to vote fascism away at this point though. we are already at the “gestapo killing people off the streets” stage.
Nope, which is why the next easiest, peaceful civil shutdown, is the only option they have now.
you need more than a repeat of the no kings protests at this point.
This is certainly a take of all time
You have anything relevant to add because that wasn’t as witty as you think.
Well how can I compete with your wit! Off the charts with this comment!
‘ I house heal care or job’ is pretty fucking bad, tbh, so just saying ‘well do that!’ Is kinda messed up
Also, the ‘temporarily homeless’ thing is pretty funny. Yeah, because that’s how it works with no safety net, it’s just temporary.
Maybe you aren’t as witty as you think.
Well, what’s your take sunshine?
Sit at home and take it until you’re dragged out into the streets?
Go full blown civil war?
Is being shot, incarcerated forever or deported a better option?
It’s certainly a lot more temporary than being dead. It’s the only option you have.
No safety net? Try voting in numbers instead of whinging and finding excuses. You might have one of you did.
Stop fucking pissing and moaning. Next time try voting as a decent collective The steps get harder every time. Now it’s at sacrifice. Two people have already been shot in the street but yep you go ahead, piss and moan about my comment.
There’s no wit here and there isn’t meant to be. This is where you are. Two people are already dead but whine again about the hardship of losing your shitty carer job.
This is why I didn’t really want to engage with you, so thanks for cementing my original plan.
Voting is not working and watching current events we’re already at the bloody revolution stage, it increasingly seems so your ‘take’ of
1 vote
2 be homeless
3 just have a safety net!
4 idk I read something about ‘seizing the means of production, so just do that!’
Is pretty helpful! Personally, I’m looking at ways to help and protect people in my communities and building those communities when there are none, not pissing and moaning. you and the one that is pissing and moaning, so, has a nice day, goodbye.
This is why…
Then don’t. Piss off. Aside from the fact that so far you’ve offered little than whine about a job, you’ve said nothing of value anyway.
voting is not working
Not when the highest count every time is ‘lazy, couldn’t be fucked, ma jerrrb’
seizing the means of production
I said stop it, in protest to a tearing down of your society.i wasn’t advocating for communism. Can you actually read and comprehend?
personally I’m looking at ways
That’s fantastic and the first thing useful you’ve offered so far. You were still pissing and moaning about a jerrrb though, while others are out in the street dying for it.
have a nice day, goodbye
Thank fuck for that
Just take the L
The majority of the US citizenry have been convinced that strikes and unions are tools of communism, despite the USA’s long history of successful strikes and industrial action, all due to ~70 years of red scare propaganda. Voting is a ‘waste of time’ or ‘rigged by the EC’ so a full third don’t bother.
So those tools don’t exist to them, and now they’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas.
I think guns are possibly a deterrent at protests (as you allude), but with the heavily-armed govt as the adversary and the legal system largely on their side and their trigger-happy history… I think it’ll turn into a massacre. Trump will likely use it to seize additional emergency powers, and go full steam ahead with any fascist dreams he has for the next three years.
Who knows, maybe wide violence is inevitable now to get out of the frog-in-pot incremental fascism the US public have been in for a long time now (at least 10 years).
I wish them every success in overcoming Trump and his MAGA admin, and I hope they remember how poorly appeasement has worked out for them after winning the last civil war.
The system has been broken so badly that it needs to start over again. The past 50 years have been chopping off bits and lumps of democracy that can’t be repaired. Only rebuilt
