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Sen. Bernie Sanders also demanded āfundamental reformsā to Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection, saying they are āterrorizingā US communities.
US Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday demanded the removal of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Millerāa key architect of Donald Trumpās violent mass deportation campaignāas well as concrete reforms in exchange for any new funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
In remarks on the Senate floor, Sanders (I-Vt.) called ICE a ādomestic military forceā that is āterrorizingā communities across the country. The senator pointed specifically to the agencyās ongoing activities in Minnesota and Maine, where officers have committed horrificāand deadlyāabuses.
Sanders said that ānot another penny should be givenā to ICE or Customs and Border Protection (CBP) āunless there are fundamental reforms in how those agencies functionāand until there is new leadership at the Department of Homeland Security and among those who run our immigration policy.ā The senator has proposed repealing a $75 billion ICE funding boost that the GOP approved last summer, an end to warrantless arrests, the unmasking of ICE and CBP agents, and more.
SS troops door knocking and asking for papers and liberals are still talking about āplaying the gameā. I canāt. I canāt take this level of delusion.
We need a massive political movement to fix what the federal government has become. One that at this point is literally hitting the brink of armed conflict. There is no āplaying the gameā. The game is over. The Republicans know this and the Democrats are the only ones still playing it.
The point of Bernie not compromising on what needs to be done is to SHOW that the political system is a failure. Seriously, are you still thinking ICE will be reformed with Trump as president? What is the point of starting from a compromised position that literally only serves the purpose of creating a zero substance bill that will only serve as another illusion of democracy working?
Seriously. There is nothing Bernie should be doing but calling balls and strikes. He use to do that. Now, he is an old man that is in denial of the institutions he spent his whole life defending falling apart around him. He is āplaying the gameā when the game is over. And itās only serving as a means for people like you to think the umpires are still there.
I literally said it wouldnāt. Did you read? I said this is a way to get defunding done, because they wonāt allow it to be reformed. If he went with a full defunding then heād be used as an enemy for the supporters of the regime to gather support and they would definitely pass funding. With this move he may be able to get funding stopped.
If youāre a representative, your best play is to āplay the game.ā Us though? We donāt have to. We should be pushing for what needs to be done. Weāre in different positions than them. Youād be an idiot to think they should just give up all power to make an idiological last stand. Sure, itād feel great to watch, until the regime gets everything they want and fucks you.
Do you know whatās happening here? This isnāt about creating a new bill. Itās about not passing a bill for increased ICE funding. Itās already passed in the house and heās trying to prevent it passing in the senate.
I donāt think you are actually aware of whatās being discussed and youāve read too much from idiots who say if something isnāt exactly what they want to hear then itās bad. Sadly, in the real world, this isnāt how things work. No one has ever been able to get exactly what they want. Even the most ardent revolutionaries have to compromise to get enough allies, or they just fail and no one hears about them. I guess youād prefer the latter.
The equivalent of what you are doing here is trying to reduce funding to the concentration camps! There are fucking concentration camps! What are we talking about? The fascist arenāt defeated by a budget. They are fascist. All this serves to do is justify the existence of concentration camps.
Your problem is that you still believe the liberal institutions will turn back fascism. It will not. Please read a history book. Please understand this is exactly what the liberals in Nazi Germany did. They literally compromised with the Nazis for the āpromiseā of their party not being abolished. Voted on the enabling act. And then were quickly banned as a party. Please, please read a book.
Sanders needs to use his voice while he has it. Not use it to justify the existence of ICE. That is the only outcome of this. He is saying āice should existā. Thatās it. Thatās all this does.
God, you donāt read, do you. How do you intend to abolish ICE in this case. Itās purely about a bill thatās already passed the house. Heās trying to prevent it from passing the senate. Abolition is not an option in this case. That requires a new bill. The only thing that can be done in this case is to stop a funding bill passing or passing it. Thereās no third option.
No. My problem is that I want power to be used when we have it. I donāt think we should give up power just to sound strong to idiots on the internet. Sanders taking an idiological stance that the senate doesnāt support sounds cool to internet communists, but it doesnāt actually get anything done except for handing over power to the Fascists.
Your stupid community that insists we get nothing done because it isnāt perfect are annoying as hell. You arenāt as smart as you believe. The leftists who have actually accomplished things did so by working with people they didnāt agree with completely. You take what you can get when you can get it. You donāt throw it away because you want something better.
Sanders doesnāt have the power to abolish ICE (at least, at this moment). He does have the power to maybe have this bill not pass. Even that is unlikely though. It sure as hell wonāt happen if he takes the stance you want, and then ICE gets even more funding. Is that what you want?
Iām reading mate. Youāre not. I already said the problem is that you still think liberal democracy is functioning. It is not. Pretending that it is is why you canāt understand my perspective.
I want you to just pretend for a moment that you have accepted that there is no democracy at the federal level. Itās done.
Then, think of the perspective Iāve given you. What is our remaining option? State government.
The only meaningful thing Sanders can do is accept that the federal government has been taken over by fascist and use his platform to encourage state governments to take a stand and organize a resistance to the fascist federal government. One way of doing that is abolishing ICE in the states.
Heās not doing that. If he was, people like you would not be fooled into thinking that any legislative actions in the federal government will matter. They donāt. And youāre arguing for why they still do. Do you get that?
Stop explaining the political maneuvering. It makes you look silly. I get what youāre talking about. I just disagree with you on a fundamental level. The legislative branch of the federal government has no power. Sanders should be shouting this and telling state governments to take action to prepare. Instead, heās pretending itās still functioning.
You can disagree with me on whether it still has power or not. But youāre not. Youāre just talking about political maneuvering that I am fundamentally saying DOES NOT MATTER. Do you get my perspective?