Several niche, left-leaning gun advocacy groups said that since the killing of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis, they can hardly keep up with the surging demand for firearms training.

With Donald Trump sending armed federal agents into communities around the country, even more once gun-shy liberals and leftists are considering getting armed.

And while Americans tend to think of gun owners as leaning more Republican and male, already more women, gay people and people of color have taken up arms in recent years, particularly after 2020.

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    Dude shut up. It’s never gonna be enough for you, is it? “Oh well they picked up some garbage on the side of the road but DIDN’T SOLVE GLOBAL WARMING SO THEY ARE LIB SHITS!”

    Oh someone joined a left leaning gun group and might want to start getting more involved? “FUCKEM I’M GONNA GATE KEEP THE REVOLUTION THEY ARE POSEURS THEY SHOULD MAKE THEIR OWN GROUP!”

    So sorry some people are new to this or changing their mind and not doing something big and dramatic that looks exciting enough for you, even if they suddenly changed their minds and agreed with you 100% that’s not good enough they should’ve thought this way forever ago.

    Freaking hamstringing your own movement because you hate the newbies? Don’t want to do the boring long work of permanent change? Just want to sit back and think of a communist commune Israel but don’t want to wash the dishes?

    Let the people in, be welcoming, show them the ropes. Encourage people to practice with their gun instead of shitting on them. If you’re already in these groups, you should want your numbers to grow, not be a gatekeeping twat.

    Pull your head out of your ass.

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      The .ml users are really out in force today working hard to not beat the allegations.

      I’m convinced to get the .ml suffix you have to prove you’re, white, 14 years old, hate your liberal middle-class parents, and feel overwhelming resentment towards people who actually care about better outcomes because Mom didn’t let you get a tattoo of Lenin on your shoulder.

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      Letting liberals into leftist spaces halts progress. We end up needing to fight with them more than whatever it is we are protesting. All the stuff liberals call leftist infighting is us fending off liberals trying to invade our spaces and control the situation. We do NOT want the same things. Liberals want reform, which does not work.

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        If you believe in something, and want to fight for it, your first priority should be trying to convince other people it’s a good idea. Your attitude does more harm than good; you’re incapable of thinking people can change their mind, because you’re incapable of changing yours.

        It makes more sense to get people to like your idea than pushing them away, unless you think you’re going to do it with force.

        And alienating people means you wouldn’t even be able to do that.

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          It makes more sense to get people to like your idea than pushing them away, unless you think you’re going to do it with force.

          I’ve seen incels do this online for decades now. They’re not really looking for better outcomes, they want to feel that “normies” hate them so much that it validates all the hate and cynicism they feel. You can’t feel bad about not doing the actual hard things in life to organize and be liked by others if everyone else hates you and thinks you’re a monster, right?

          It’s creating an environment of alienation so they can justify not wanting to change or help anyone.

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          I’m not alienating anyone, i would be willing to work with their organizations, but not to invite them into leftist spaces so they can neutralize our movements.

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        We end up needing to fight with them more than whatever it is we are protesting

        Oh, do you need to do that?

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        Take your tribalism and shove it.

        For every person who wants to help that you sneer at online (because I know you couldn’t face them in reality) I will be working in the real world to help bring real people over to start working for better outcomes, secure in the knowledge that even if I can’t change the whole world and make everything better, I can reduce harm here and now and continue to push the needle towards a better world. I’ve been at it for years, and seeing cynical little shits on the internet whine and cry about seeing other people nurturing unity only makes me more committed.

        You can just stay in that basement and whinge while real people do real things.

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          I can reduce harm

          Liberals have claimed for decades they are harm reduction while somehow harm keeps growing. Keep deluding yourself. Liberals contribute to harm by keeping the wheels of facism greased up. They will accept milquetoast concessions by their party to expand ICE with reforms,. In the meantime nothing changes.