They’re not, they’re distinct concepts that are commonly found expressed in religious practices but are not in of themselves spiritual. I’m sorry I’m genuinely confused as to what you’re saying.
So your assertion is that I should understand that it’s not a religious practice because… it shares traits with many religious and nonreligious practices.
I’m sorry, I don’t think in this case that the confusion is due to a fault on my part :/
They’re not, they’re distinct concepts that are commonly found expressed in religious practices but are not in of themselves spiritual.
You acknowledged that Jungian archetypes are distinct concepts from religious practices and not in themselves spiritual. And yet you don’t understand why some people are saying “Tarot isn’t necessarily religious or spiritual”?
You say “it shares traits with many religious a nonreligious practices” as if you think that’s definitively concludes that it’s inherently religious.
And yet you openly avow satanism and write yourself a pass because it’s “secular” and you completely ignore the fact that by your same argument against tarot, i.e. that it “shares traits with many religious and nonreligious practices,” you would have to consider your own beliefs and practices under the same umbrella.
The confusion is definitely due to a fault on your part. No one else here is confused.
as if you think that’s definitively concludes that it’s inherently religious.
At no point did I do that.
You’ve incorrectly assumed my motivations and are allowing those assumptions to color this interaction. You’re treating this as though I have made the assertion that Tarot is always a religious practice, something I haven’t done. Tarot reading is a religious practice as much as confession is - it can be absolutely be performed without the spiritual aspects (in this case that would be tarot not used as a prophecy but a form of self-reflective meditation). This is something I have personal doubts as to the strict accuracy of but which I would never presume to use to dismiss someone else’s claims about using it in that manner; Hence why I asked the original poster about why they consider it not a religious practice.
This is wholly in line with my own nominal belief in satanism (in my case something that is almost entirely a political/social statement and a means of community organization (i.e. not adherence to a philosophy), but that’s not supremely relevant). I do, I suspect, consider it under the same broad umbrella (although the lack of spiritual adherence in satanism is far more the norm than it is with Tarot - in most branches it’s even explict. I strongly suspect that the secular use of tarot is in the extreme minority comparably) but the aspect of the conversation you’ve weighed in on has had no attempt at explanation, just random assertions and dismissal.
You have waded in to attack, dismiss and arguably insult me - based off your own misunderstanding of what I’m trying to achieve. The confusion is not mine, and honestly the fault here isn’t mine either. You’re being a jerk.
Then what point are you even trying to make? What is it you’re “trying to achieve”? Why even leave your original comment
Maybe… you should say that to your friend, instead of using your shared religious beliefs that convince them to stay in a shitty relationship…?
The only person wading into attack on this thread is you, and although multiple people have pointed that out you’ve consistently relied on DARVO to accuse them of attacking you, when you’re the one attacking OP and the concept of Tarot in the first place.
You’re calling it a religious practice based on your own set of definitions, while simultaneously carving out exceptions for your own quasi-religious practice. This indicates that you’re clearly either incapable or unwilling to hear the perspectives of others and what their interests mean to them, and you have this exclusivist mentality where only you can be right.
You’re a fucking narcissist. Anton LaVey would be proud 👏👏
I’m saying you’re way too attached to this and it may be worth exploring, in your own time. This is like if someone latched on to your SN and assume you’re into the dark arts and Loki is your patron.
I was attempting to explore this by engaging with the person who made the assertion directly when you engaged with me, though. If you don’t want to be here, you’re welcome to leave? Alternatively I welcome an explanation instead of a fairly rude dismissal.
(Also I am an open satanist - their conclusion would not be incorrect, which is in part why I chose this username)
Magical practice has very little (or in my case nothing) to do with modern satanism, it’s a secular philosophy set in counterpoint to the more damaging mainstream religions. My patron within the organization is named Loki though, he’s quite nice.
Although I fail to see how I’m asserting any kind of superiority over another person’s beliefs - just their actions in not being honest with their friend.
Jungian archetypes and shadow work reflection prompts.
I’m not sure how the presence of ideas promoted by Jung or the concept of guided self-reflection are at all mutually exclusive with religious beliefs.
I don’t see how they’re wedded.
They’re not, they’re distinct concepts that are commonly found expressed in religious practices but are not in of themselves spiritual. I’m sorry I’m genuinely confused as to what you’re saying.
Then you just answered your own question. You really are confused, it’s okay to admit it.
So your assertion is that I should understand that it’s not a religious practice because… it shares traits with many religious and nonreligious practices.
I’m sorry, I don’t think in this case that the confusion is due to a fault on my part :/
You literally said:
You acknowledged that Jungian archetypes are distinct concepts from religious practices and not in themselves spiritual. And yet you don’t understand why some people are saying “Tarot isn’t necessarily religious or spiritual”?
You say “it shares traits with many religious a nonreligious practices” as if you think that’s definitively concludes that it’s inherently religious.
And yet you openly avow satanism and write yourself a pass because it’s “secular” and you completely ignore the fact that by your same argument against tarot, i.e. that it “shares traits with many religious and nonreligious practices,” you would have to consider your own beliefs and practices under the same umbrella.
The confusion is definitely due to a fault on your part. No one else here is confused.
At no point did I do that.
You’ve incorrectly assumed my motivations and are allowing those assumptions to color this interaction. You’re treating this as though I have made the assertion that Tarot is always a religious practice, something I haven’t done. Tarot reading is a religious practice as much as confession is - it can be absolutely be performed without the spiritual aspects (in this case that would be tarot not used as a prophecy but a form of self-reflective meditation). This is something I have personal doubts as to the strict accuracy of but which I would never presume to use to dismiss someone else’s claims about using it in that manner; Hence why I asked the original poster about why they consider it not a religious practice.
This is wholly in line with my own nominal belief in satanism (in my case something that is almost entirely a political/social statement and a means of community organization (i.e. not adherence to a philosophy), but that’s not supremely relevant). I do, I suspect, consider it under the same broad umbrella (although the lack of spiritual adherence in satanism is far more the norm than it is with Tarot - in most branches it’s even explict. I strongly suspect that the secular use of tarot is in the extreme minority comparably) but the aspect of the conversation you’ve weighed in on has had no attempt at explanation, just random assertions and dismissal.
You have waded in to attack, dismiss and arguably insult me - based off your own misunderstanding of what I’m trying to achieve. The confusion is not mine, and honestly the fault here isn’t mine either. You’re being a jerk.
Then what point are you even trying to make? What is it you’re “trying to achieve”? Why even leave your original comment
The only person wading into attack on this thread is you, and although multiple people have pointed that out you’ve consistently relied on DARVO to accuse them of attacking you, when you’re the one attacking OP and the concept of Tarot in the first place.
You’re calling it a religious practice based on your own set of definitions, while simultaneously carving out exceptions for your own quasi-religious practice. This indicates that you’re clearly either incapable or unwilling to hear the perspectives of others and what their interests mean to them, and you have this exclusivist mentality where only you can be right.
You’re a fucking narcissist. Anton LaVey would be proud 👏👏
I’m saying you’re way too attached to this and it may be worth exploring, in your own time. This is like if someone latched on to your SN and assume you’re into the dark arts and Loki is your patron.
I was attempting to explore this by engaging with the person who made the assertion directly when you engaged with me, though. If you don’t want to be here, you’re welcome to leave? Alternatively I welcome an explanation instead of a fairly rude dismissal.
(Also I am an open satanist - their conclusion would not be incorrect, which is in part why I chose this username)
I get it. Your literal magical practice > anyone else’s, real or jest.
Magical practice has very little (or in my case nothing) to do with modern satanism, it’s a secular philosophy set in counterpoint to the more damaging mainstream religions. My patron within the organization is named Loki though, he’s quite nice.
Although I fail to see how I’m asserting any kind of superiority over another person’s beliefs - just their actions in not being honest with their friend.